Tucker Carlson, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me. This place is
so unbelievable. It is. It's you. I mean, you told me about it, but it's way cooler even than you described. So, I love this.
Thank you. I like a man who builds his own world cuz it reflects your value. It reflects what you care about.
Thank you. We put a lot of a lot of heart and soul into this. It's very obvious.
Thank you. And I just I think it's great. I like building things. I like people who build things. And I think it's very important
to live and work in an environment that that is beautiful or at least something that you consider beautiful. I think
it's really important. Beauty is totally underrated as an elevator of spirit as a path to clarity. The whole modern world
is so ugly and it's ugly on purpose so you can't think clearly about anything. and you come to a place like this and you're like, "Oh, this is a man who
really thinks about things." So, thank you, man. I just, you know, I like
uh I think work satisfaction is extremely [ __ ] important and not, you know, not just for myself, but uh you
know, I think I told you, you know, my team is like my family on your podcast and we talked about that again.
I feel the same way, you know, this morning at breakfast. And I I just I just want everybody to love
where the [ __ ] they work, you know, and and um and be proud of where they work. Like, what are you doing with your life?
No, I completely I completely agree with you. It's expensive to do that. So, that's why most people don't.
Yep. Yep. But what else have I got to spend it on?
No, I completely agree. [ __ ] gay new watch or something. Some dumb vacation. I totally agree. I
totally agree. But um well, I mean,
holy [ __ ] dude. Yeah, I know. What the [ __ ] is going on in the world?
Well, there's a spiritual war underway, which I didn't take seriously enough. And you can't understand anything that's
happening unless you understand that. I leaned out. I lean like just like we were talking about this. I had to I had
to I I just had to lean out. I can't tell what's real anymore.
We talked about that on your podcast. It just keeps getting [ __ ] worse. And And you know, I just I I I'm just
I'm just looking for something that I can have an impact on. And and um it's getting hard to find.
Well, you you know, it's it's hard to gauge the impact of really anything because our timeline is totally
distorted. And at least I'll speak for myself. I always think that if I say something that's true, it will have an
immediate effect. And there is a kind of vanity to that. Like, can't anyone hear
what I'm saying? Like, I already showed that's a lie. Like, why aren't you adjusting your behavior? And it's like, well, cuz I'm not God. Actually, I'm not
in charge of anything. I'm a podcaster. Which is important to remember if you're me cuz you there is so much vanity.
People are always like, "Oh, it's so important what you're doing." And it's like, really? if if I was doing something useful, I guess we wouldn't be here, would we? And that is so
frustrating that I opted as we had the song conversation wonderful, which I wish was on tape cuz it was so deep. But
I' I know. Don't worry. Everything on breakfast is recorded. It should have.
But um no, I mean, I know the feeling so well and you were saying, "I can't even deal with this. I don't want to deal
with it." And I said, "Oh man, I in June after we, the United States government,
um bombed the nuclear facilities to to really no effect, let's be honest." Um I was so frustrated and disappointed and
and mad that people aren't listening to me, I kind of retreated and I live in a
place where you can retreat to our fishing camp, which I sincerely love, but really it's its signature quality is
its remoteness. It's not near anything at all. And we did have Starling put in a couple of years ago. So you could text
from there. So like why wouldn't you go there on all your off hours with your dogs and just like live alone in the
woods. So I literally did that. And then in September, um, you know, Charlie Kirk
was my friend, was murdered. And with the encouragement of another friend of mine, I began to realize that what I was
doing was totally self-indulgent. And that's not we're not here to enjoy solitude in the woods or enjoy our
fishing camp, the fruits of our labors. Very cheap fishing camp. But still, it's like so close to my heart. And what I
really love about this country and my life is being in that envi in the woods. So, but that's not why we're here.
That's totally self-indulgent. Just because my deepest desire is not hookers
and blow anymore. No, but I can tell myself and I
have literally said out loud to people around me like really my darkest sin is I like to sit,
you know, far away in the woods up near Canada with my dogs and fish and maybe have an occasional cigarette or
whatever. But that's as naughty as I get. I've got nothing to apologize for. Why do you why do you think Why do you
say that's a big sin? That's your biggest sin? Well, I would I would be joking. I would say, "Look, you know, okay, yes, I do
like I we had, you know, family drama over Starlink. I don't want Starlink." But it was like, "Well, then no one
knows where you are." And I'm like, "Well, right. That's the [ __ ] point, right? Well, I did give in." Which is a
mixed blessing. But anyway, the point is I would always say the worst thing I want to do is retreat from the world
into the woods and fish or hunt. I mean, those are truly my deepest desires. And
I just always would joke and be like, you know, you could you could have someone else in your family who's like
in Vegas getting chlamydia or there's me who just wants to go fishing for the week, you know, or
whatever. But what I realized was, yes, of course, fishing alone with your
dogs is better than getting chlamydia, you know, at the experiment rhino, but
both of them are retreating from your duty, especially if you're a middle-aged man who has, you know, whatever. There's
no reason for me not to do my best at this point. There's nothing in my path that prevents me from telling the truth
that I have an obligation to do that. That's why that's why you're here. There's a mission. There is a mission for every man and your job is to find
out what it is and dutifully do it or attempt to do it. And do you see the fruits? Of course not. You don't. And
maybe there aren't any fruits. And maybe you're wrong because you don't freaking know. You're just a man. You're totally
on the wrong path sometimes and don't even know it. It's happened to me a million times. But you have to try. And
it can't just be, as I always would say to people close to me, it's not all [ __ ] and French toast, man. Like
there's a part where you have to work. No, that's the dream, right? [ __ ] and French toast, you know.
Oh, man. I mean, I don't I don't know, Tucker. I
I have like this huge internal battle going on right now. You know, it's it's
again, we talked we should probably stop having breakfast from now on and just, you know, do the
do the actual interview here. But I, you know, like I I'm not going to quit, but,
you know, I I I go back and forth. I mean there there's so much yes there's a lot of positives and you talk to a lot
of cool people and I get you know got to know you and and uh I'm very thankful for everything but you know like I think
about I got a [ __ ] a large property about 40 45 minutes south of here and um
lots of acreage middle of nowhere very very inexpensive property that I've
owned since I moved here. Those are the best inexpensive rural property. It's a little bitty [ __ ] hunt cabin
that's like it's it's you wouldn't want to bring a woman there
unless my wife. Those are the best guys. But um but we used to go to before all
this [ __ ] happened. We used to go down there and um and just escape. Well, like
we wanted to escape all the way back then and we don't have we don't have time to
do that anymore. and and like I went down there last weekend and uh to actually like just get out of here even
though I live in the woods that's farther in the woods and I just I just [ __ ] got down there, man. And I was
like it made me sad like I I was like Katie and I used to come down here all
the time. Yep. Not talk to anybody. No cell reception, no internet, no nothing. like no jets
flying over, no chemtrails, no no noise, nothing. Just solitude,
nature, and a couple people cooking meth across the street. But uh but um it it
just made me sad, man. And like I'm like I I think about it now and I'm like
those were like better times. Oh, yeah. you know, and and and now, you know, I built this business and and
fame is set in and it it's, you know, when you're building this
[ __ ] you sure as hell don't think you're going to look back on the times that you were before you even thought about building it and go,
those were simpler, better times. It makes me [ __ ] sad. You can always
be sure you look backward and consider time that has passed simpler and better. That's just the nature of life. You will
always look back. I look back on the 80s and I'm like, damn, I correspond with my girlfriend by letter. You know how great
that was. I just think that's the way people are. But I also I think of it this way. It's like, and I think this
not just of myself, but of everyone around me. The more blessed you are, the deeper your obligation. That's just
true. The point of leadership is to protect the people you lead. I don't
believe in a flat society. I'm not a populist in any way. I believe that no structure beginning with the family
works without leadership. And so I think a lot about what is leadership and leadership is sacrifice. And so the more
you've been given, the deeper your responsibility to sacrifice for others. I really believe that. And that's
obvious when you're working hard toward a goal. you know, I'm putting everything into what I'm striving to achieve. You
know, I'm fighting my way up. The problem for men, and so few men actually achieve this that it's almost never
talked about. Problem for men is getting what you want. The problem is winning. That's what destroys you. The fight doesn't I mean, you've been in real
fights, obviously. But real fights, I happen to know, not with just with others, but with yourself, and you
prevailed. That's way easier than winning. Winning is what destroys you.
David was not intimidated when he picked up the stone against Goliath and then ran up and beheaded him. The problem set
in when he sees this girl and he's like, I can bang her. I'm king. He destroys himself. That is that is the template
for the way that men are. And no one tells you that because again, there are so few people who actually get what they
want. And there's no support group for people who won. But I know a lot of
them. I know that you do, too. And a consistent theme in every story is the second I got what I wanted, I could feel
myself starting to self-destruct and lose confidence and faith in myself and my mission and all that stuff. And
that's one of the gifts that we get, I think, as people if we pay attention is the humility that comes from failing.
Like every time I've thought I've won and I'm like get cynical and decadent and like, yeah, I'm I'm in charge now.
Then I get fired, humiliated again. And then I look back and I'm like, "Ah, thank you God for humiliating me because
it restores a sense of purpose and takes me down from hubris to reality, etc., etc. But
underneath it all is the fact that the more you've been given, the greater your obligation to others." And as I said, I
as I told you in great detail at the breakfast, I'm not going to bore your listeners, but I just went through this where I was like, "Fuck this. [ __ ]
this." Like, "Go wreck your society. I'm out. I'm going to do my interviews and like but I'm not getting involved in
this process because it's hopelessly broken and like I can only be frustrated by it. I can have no material effect and
I'm just out and I've got a million interests. I have a huge family who I am very engaged with and like I'm just
going to tend to their needs and I'm I'm not going to be a participate in anything beyond my world. And then a
really close and honest friend of mine wrote me this very long letter the day Charlie was killed. And I was like
actually and it was very nice. It wasn't scolding but it was actually corrective in that he said
you are self-indulgent which I am. I am
I'm totally self-indulgent. I know that about myself of course and it's obvious but you are being self-indulgent and you
have a moral obligation to do everything you can with the everpresent knowledge. It mostly won't work but it doesn't
matter whether you live to see its fruits. you are obligated to try to help help in some way. And I
and I was like and I of course I showed it to my wife. I was like God is speaking through him and you need to pay attention. I was like you're right. He's
totally right. So that actually that conversation which was well it was
September 11th I happened to know uh when I called him to thank him for this letter that totally changed my attitude
and I'm just so grateful to have friends who are willing will take the time to be honest with me about my faults and um
people I really try I'm not you know take a lot of criticism I don't give a [ __ ] but like for the 30 people whose opinions I care
about some of them are really willing to take the time to be honest with me and I needed to hear that. And I've been in a
good mood ever since despite, you know, we've had a lot of drama in my life and my family since September 11th. It's
only been a little over two months, but it's like a different world. And um since Charlie was murdered, but I've
never stopped being cheerful and hopeful because I know that there's a mission way beyond me. And I don't know its
outlines. I don't know everything about the mission. I have no secret knowledge. But I can feel very strongly that my job
is to tell the truth to the extent that I can and that I'm able to see it, which is imperfectly.
But I know it's outlined sometimes and I have an obligation to say what they are no matter what the cost to me. And that
is such a liberating feeling.
It's hard to I don't know, man. I just look at all the the the
we were talking about this earlier too, but you know the you think that
because of what you've become and what you've built that you have an impact
we've called do any of us I mean you know and I hate to quote Conan O'Brien but one of my favorite observations comes from him.
In the end, every grave goes unvisited. I try to I live directly across from I
see my parents graves from my kitchen and so I I visit my parents graves a lot and think about them and really love
them. Blessed to have them as parents, but I and I will be buried next to them. But I think a lot I'm like in the end
like this will be a subdivision or whatever. Who knows what it'll be nuclear wasteland. And I mean it doesn't we don't know the future and we can be
certain that we will be forgotten and that all of our efforts will be unrecognized by other people. But that doesn't mean that we don't have an
obligation in the present to try our best to do our best. And I think that everyone has different callings. Of
course, everyone has different callings, but I feel strongly that my calling is to is to tell the truth with the
knowledge that most of the time it's fruitless or if it bears fruit, I won't see it. It's planting an oak tree. like
you're not going to see it become an oak. Mhm. But you plant it anyway because that's
your duty. And I didn't serve in the military and I didn't grow up in a
dutyoriented society. I grew up in rich person world where you know but so this
is something that I have come to believe more than I used to believe. But you do have a duty. You are here for a reason
all of us. And we're all acting in concert either for good or for evil. And I think the lines are really really
clear. And I, as I said at the outset, I think the battle is a spiritual one. Which is
not to say there aren't like material consequences or it's not flesh and blood people. They are, but all of us are being acted on at all times by forces
that we can't see. It's a fact. I know that. I've seen it a lot. And how do we
know the difference? Well, it's hard to tell sometimes. And I have been lured by evil a million times that it will happen
again. But one of the ways we know is by the
way people behave. And good God is
characterized by love and acceptance and concern and empathy. Period. And his
opponents are characterized by hate. And so when we allow ourselves to get lured
into hating, we are serving the people we oppose.
Evil becomes stronger with hate. And it I have learned this from watching really
carefully and been involved in in a lot of battles, rhetorical battles in my life. And I have noticed that the goal
of people serving evil is to make you a hater. They call you what they want you
to be. And as someone who has been called many names over many years and been confused by because I'm very
literal, like I'm actually not a racist. Actually, I'm not a racist. And if I was, I would just admit it. But I'm not.
I've said that like a thousand times. Nobody cares. They keep calling you. So why do they call you that? Because they
think you are. Kind of obvious that I'm actually not. And they know that. No,
because they want you to become that. That's what they want you to be. You're a Nazi. And I'm like, a Nazi? No. Very
anti-Nazi, actually. Why are they saying that about me? Why not just note the obvious about me? You're well
self-indulgent or overweight or whatever. The things I really am. Why not criticize me on the basis of like my
obvious faults reality? I mean, that's what I do. And you're trying to needle someone. You're like, "Oh, you're" and
it's true. And that makes you know, you call the fat girl fat. Why are they calling me something I'm
not? And I'm obviously not because they want me to become that. Mhm. Now, why would people who claim to hate
Nazis want you to become a Nazi? That doesn't make any sense. Because it's spiritual principle.
Hate makes evil stronger. They want to destroy you by turning your
heart dark. That is the truth. And they feed on that. It makes them strong when
you hate them. This is not a political principle. This is a spiritual principle. And I
have seen it in action so many times that I've become totally convicted of it. I mean, I've lived this. And so, I
have resolved. I don't care what people who disagree with me do to me. I don't
care. I'm not going to hate them. Partly because I despise them so much I refuse
to hate them because No, that I'm half joking, but no, it's
like I disagree so much that I'm not going to give you what you want, which
is for me to make you the center of my world by hating you. I'm not going to do that. And I'm not going to give you the
spiritual power that comes from hate because I see what happens. I have seen
it. I have literally been the only thing I've done in my life is watch things. I've watched a lot of things in a lot of
different places around the world. And I haven't learned that much, but a few things I've learned. And one is when
evil convinces you to hate it, evil becomes stronger. And the only
kryptonite, the only thing you can employ to make it less strong is love.
And and its many cousins, amusement, cheerfulness, laughing in the face of
evil diminishes evil. So you're never going to get me to play that game. Nazi.
No, you're the Nazi. [ __ ] you. Never doing that. I'm never going to do that.
Both for my own sake and because that's the path to defeat.
Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. I mean, it does makes a lot of sense. I I
It's been a very uh weird journey for me. Yeah.
Don't you love that though? Like, would a teenage you have guessed where you'd be now?
Five years ago, I would have wanted to be a podcast. Yeah. But but uh you know I I don't you
thankful I'm also sad and um I've never been this close to government ever. I
mean you I worked in government but you know it was very it was very uh compartmentalized so
and very focused on you know certain aspects. So I didn't have time to like or access everybody thinks oh you got
all this access. you don't have any [ __ ] access. Of course not. But um
but after doing this and and and a lot of these interviews and dude, it's just so [ __ ] dark, man.
It's it's I don't know. It makes me wonder like are are are we here for a bigger purpose
or is our purpose just to you? You said lead by sacrifice. I think lead by
example. just set the [ __ ] good example, you know, and and just be a
good person. And what is it? Attraction works a lot
better than promotion. And uh that's what my wife tells me. But
uh but there's a cost to that. That's what
I would say the main thing that I have learned having been around, you know, the same world that I'm around now. I've
been around since I was a child and I've it's slowly dawned on me how rotten it was. And so the main
pitfall for me is being shocked by everything. I'm like, I can't believe how bad this is. I can't believe how
corrupt this institution is. These people are. I can't believe how dark it is. I must say that a hundred times. I can't believe it. And then occasionally
I'll hear myself and I'll be like, you become the I can't believe it guy. Really? Are you shocked again? Like how
many times this is Lucy in the football like how often are you going to be shocked by what you already know by what
you've stated out loud a thousand times. So if I keep being if you keep doing the
same thing to me and I keep refusing to believe you're going to do it and if I find myself shocked every time when you
do do it, who's the [ __ ] I don't know. I mean I think when you say it, you know what I mean? that you
you like when you say I can't believe I think that I think the reason that that
happens is there's still a glimmer of hope in your mind that it actually is not as [ __ ] bad as it appears to be.
Of course it is. You know, and then every time you go down the rabbit hole more and more and more dropped atom bombs on civilians and
celebrated it. Oh, it was so important we do that. Really? To incinerate a bunch of kids? Like if you say it's
important to beat the Imperial Japanese Army or replace the government with a
with a friendly government, of course. Of course. But if you're celebrating the incineration of children, then you're
evil. And all of us were, including me. So like, it's just important to recognize that and just be like, "Wow,
we made a huge mistake." But people who refuse to acknowledge the mistake and
continue to behave like that was a virtue are serving evil. That's just what it is. Like that's what the whole project is. like and and they'll employ
any lie to get you not to you hate the United States. I hate the United States. I don't think I do. No. Give my life for
the country in a second. I feel like we're actually in the process of doing that. Giving over things that we love
because we care about this land and its people because this is where we're from.
You're not going to get me off the track, but you're also not going to get me to lie. So, what happens if you
decide I'm just going to tell the truth? You have to tell the whole truth about everything all the time. You don't You're not required to do that. But I'm
not going to lie. I'm just going to I'm just going to tell the truth. We are definitely going to get killed if you
keep doing that because whether it's physically or in some way you are going to suffer. And that's the whole story.
That's a story of Jesus. That's a story of his disciples. Almost every one of maybe every one of whom was murdered in
the end. Why? Because they were hurting people or stealing from the poor? No. Because they were telling the truth. So we already know that. So, I don't know
you know, I get attacked or I see people unfairly attacked for doing the right thing and telling the truth and every single time I'm like, I can't. This is
shocking. It's like, really? I guess I didn't really believe anything I said because there's nothing shocking about
it's the most predictable. I remember going on Fox and writing the script and something I can't even remember. could
be anything. But I was like, it's kind of weird that all the people who lied
are getting presidential medals of freedom and consulting contracts at Black Rockck and all the people who told
the truth are headed to jail. We're punishing the honest. I remember being
like totally out. I mean, this was like 10 years ago I said this. And yet, every single time I've seen it
in the subsequent decade, I've been every bit as shocked. And I just think, no, it's time to acknowledge what's
totally real. Charlie Kirk got murdered. No one was more shocked than I was. We had, he and I had just talked about the
possibility of me getting murdered. Oh, I'm not worried about that, I said. And then he gets murdered.
And I was so shocked and and of course upset. Upset because of him specifically
dying, but shocked that someone could get killed who didn't do anything wrong. He just told the truth like and and he
was increasingly telling more of the truth which is exactly why he was murdered obviously. But I remember being shocked at I was like no no no no. And I
talked to our staff about it and we had we've had some you know real drama in
our lives. They were totally shocked by it and similar you know people trying to
kill you. What what did and I remember finally concluding and saying to them and they agreed it's like what did you
think this was? That's what this is. That's what our lives are. That's what everyone's life is.
And and we've gotten to the point where you can't opt out. You you can't just say, "I'm going to my fishing camp with
the spananiels." I tried. Um there is no opting out. And
anyway, and people can reach different conclusions about what their role is. And I think everyone has a different role. Not everyone has the same role at
all. Not everyone has the same destiny or mission. But we're all going to have to
face that choice because it's not up to us. That's the nature of life.
So I'm never I don't care what happens. I am resolving I'm not going to be shocked by it. And the extent to which
you're shocked is the extent to which you didn't really believe what you were saying before. And now finally after all
these years at 56, I really believe that what we're seeing is what we always thought we would see.
Does that make sense? It does. It does make sense. You can't sure. You've been in it for a lot longer.
You've been in it for a long time. You've been close. Yeah, but I didn't see it. I mean, and
I've been so attacked. Like, how could you have not known that this was this person was doing this or my own family
even especially? You're lying. You could It's like I don't know what to tell you.
The human mind is amazing. The number of things. I mean, I've I've smoked a lot
of cigarettes and thought to myself, this this bad for you. That's [ __ ]
Whatever, you know? And like, we have the capacity for selfdeception that
really is without parallel. Like, it's incredible what we can ignore.
And I I've done my share for sure. But, and I'm not being defensive about it. I I just think that's how people are. It's
certainly how I am. I'm very good at lying to myself, but especially about people I like and and about myself and
you know, we're just good at deceiving ourselves. But once I be it's only been in the last 10 years, I was like, "Wow,
I can't believe that all this stuff was I can't believe it. All this stuff is going on." And then I'm transitioning
into the next phase, which is it's okay. We were promised this. We're getting it.
I'm so grateful really to be living in a time where I think there's less selfdeception. I think people are being
forced to acknowledge, not hysterical, but being forced to think about, you
know, like why am I here and what is this and what do I care about? What do I actually believe as distinct from what
do I profess? They're not the same. And I think there's like amazing clarity
and there's of course a great sorting going on which you and I have talked about off camera for sure, maybe on
camera, but that the beauty of you know you lose so many friends. I've lost, you know, most of my friends, but the ones
I've kept are real friends and they're just people I respect immensely. And then I've made all these new
relationships. Like I pride myself in having no new friendships. Like I have no new friendships. You know, I married my high school girlfriend. Like I'm very
much old school that way the most. But it's also true that in the past 5 or 10 years, I've met all these people I
trust, care about, listen to, whose opinions I really listen to, and that
affect me. I allow their opinions to affect me, which is the sign of of real friendship. You know, I let you critique
me and I'll hear it. And I have a bunch of people I feel that way about. How
great is that? So, I lost a lot of, you know, acquaintance and I gained some
real friendships. How's that not a massive win? It is a massive win. That's awesome. Do you feel that?
No, you will. I think you will. Your problem is you're This is so fast.
I'm extremely guarded. I've been [ __ ] over a lot. Y been lied to a lot. And it's really,
really, really [ __ ] hard to gain my trust. I get it. I am I get it. I get it. But you the trajectory of your life
has been so radical and abrupt like go from you know the height of one world
you know like military you got to the height obviously the most famous part of the military succeed in that and then
you completely change careers like it couldn't be more different from what you did before and then out of nowhere you
become really successful in that. So that's like that's a big very abrupt change
and I no matter how resilient you are, there are going to be some bumps on that
road because that's just it's just too different, right? Mhm. Like if I became like a super successful
business guy or figure skater tomorrow, that would kind of be like, you know
what I mean? Like all of a sudden I'm competing in the Olympics for figure skating and I win the gold medal. Like
that would be very hard for me. Oh [ __ ] I would actually love to see that. We might have to we might have to
create an AI video figure skating division. But yeah, but that is kind of
like your life. Mhm. Well, you can't see it clearly because you're living it, but from the outside
it's obvious like what you actually succeeded in this new business. What are the odds of that?
I don't know, slim to none. In more closer to none, I would say. Yeah.
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You know what really bothers me is just is before I dug into this, it's like
there's some things that are [ __ ] up. We're going to expose it. We're going to make some changes. And then the deeper
you get in and the more you look around, everything's [ __ ] up. It's like
it's like it's like what we were talking about on on your show. Everything is a lie. And
then I mean I mean we manufacture fake [ __ ] heroes of the military that even I believed went through what they said
went through. You know what I and only to find out
like 20 [ __ ] years later like, "Holy [ __ ] this entire [ __ ] story is a
lie. This is a [ __ ] lie." And that [ __ ] is running around
in a I mean, I can't even imagine the prison that people live in of living a li like everything that you're known for
is a [ __ ] lie. Everything that people come up to you for and and praise you about is a [ __ ] lie. Yeah.
Your awards are lies. Everything is a [ __ ] lie. You are you are a
lie. There's a lot of these people walking around and I I just know a handful of them. And then you look at the politics and you I mean look at look
at this [ __ ] The Epstein files. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. It's it's a national
security threat. They're fake. This is like what the [ __ ] man. The American
people are [ __ ] screaming at you. Screaming that they want this [ __ ] released. Congress what? I don't even know the
what is it like I can't remember how many people are in Congress. 4 535 Senate plus House. 435 in the House.
Everybody except one person. Yep. I don't know who who is the one person. Some guy.
Yeah. But and and so like back, you know, back to
earlier like we want to make an impact. We want to tell the truth. We want to, you know, do these. And
we had a a big influence in the last election. Was that was seemed like a great thing at a time. At the time it
felt great. Did it was that a good thing?
You know, you can't. Now we got a guy who's, oh, America first, all this other [ __ ] [ __ ] And and everybody everybody is
screaming, "Release these [ __ ] files. We want to know what is going on. We want to know
what what will we find out if they were all released? Anything we didn't know?" I honestly I have no idea. Is it the end
of the [ __ ] country? Like is it re is it really that bad? CS Lewis has this Well, I have tons of
opinions on the subject. I don't have, you know, concrete proof. I of course I
think I know but CS Lewis has this I think it was CS Lewis has this essay in
which he says people debate you know was Jesus really God or whatever if Jesus
came back to earth tomorrow and held a press conference like a week later people would be
talking about something else. It's like we actually know what's true.
We know what's true in the way that dogs know what's true. You can't reason with the dog. the dog can smell it and he
sticks with his opinion because he has no other input. If you hate a dog, you can't talk your way out of it. The dog
knows you hate the dog because dogs have unairring instincts and so do we. And so, of course, we know exactly what the
Epstein story is about. It's about the deep corruption of global leadership, of
course. And you can say it's about Israel. It's about the CIA. Well, it's about is there a distinction really? Not
just between Israel and you know MSAD and CIA but about the British government or really kind of any government or any
you know Bill Gates or Leon Black. It's all kind of varieties of the same thing.
It's corrupt leadership that is acting on its own behalf against the interest of the people they lead. It's the oldest
story there is. It's the Pharisees. And if we're honest, we already know that. So I mean I of course I'm
completely for disclosure of everything. But I don't lie to myself and say that disclosure would change human nature
because it won't. And people have an opportunity to exploit others. Generally will. And the rest of us need to fight
daily against that. Not because we're going to win in the short term, but because it is our duty
and to serve what's good and true. Period. Even if we're killed doing it. So I don't know. I mean, I won't stop
pushing for disclosure. I really believe that trust is built on honesty. It's not built on wise ever.
You know, you you you say, you know, does it change? I think I can't remember your exact verbiage, but you know, you
we were talking about, you know, when this gets exposed, does it change anything? No. This is the this is the nature of man. This is what happens. But
we already know the answer. Men need to be reset. And men have not been [ __ ] reset. Not in this country
for a long time. That's coming whether we want it or not. We don't want it, but it's coming. and
all this [ __ ] about women don't need men. You you've obviously seen chaos in a
society, right? Like actual chaos. People just like shoot into buildings and no one arrest them. You spent your life around that stuff.
Those societies don't ask questions like what are men for? You know what I mean, right? And we're
of course moving closer to that. And all of this, all of our silliest manifestations, you know, the trans
craziness or feminism or other just revolts against nature are only possible
because we live in this Nerf world of affluence. But as that starts to change, and it is changing, then we the upside
of that we're going to get poorer and society will become more dangerous, but we'll also be a little more rooted in
reality in the same way that rich people are insufferable. Not all, but a lot of rich people are insufferable because
they're detached from reality, from nature, from God, from like the things that are real, and they convince
themselves cuz they can fly from point to point without going through TSA that they have infinite power. And they
don't, and that's why they're so hard to have dinner with. But
a normal society doesn't have these problems. has all kinds of other problems but doesn't have the American
problems of like, you know, I'll just, you know, I'm a 40-year-old unmarried
City Bank executive. I'll just get a surrogate. It's like, okay, for the suicide rate, there's not a lot of
suicide in, you know, impoverished countries cuz
like the mission is really clear. Eat, you know, there's not a lot of crisis of meaning in Burundi.
You know what I mean? It's a fight for the day. Yeah, it's a fight for the day. Well, it's a trade-off. I mean, I would much rather
live in a Door Dash society because I like comfort and ease and everything, but it is a trade-off. And you trade
comfort for meaning. That's just kind of what we've done. And we shouldn't be s again, we shouldn't be surprised by it.
What What do you think happens honestly if this do one do you think this is actually going to is this going to come
out or is this has all been shredded? I mean, you know, Mark, no, of course. I mean, we don't we don't
have the JFK files. And um and so then you ask like why
don't we who is being protected here? There are no living stakeholders in that
story. There's no living participant um in that murder conspiracy. It was a
conspiracy. We know that. So, who were the participants in that conspiracy? Well, no one's still alive. So, who could we possibly being be protecting by
not releasing all those files? And that's a pretty short list of suspects. So, I think we kind of know what that is, at least in part. I don't know the
details. I know some, but that's I think it's pretty obvious. Same with Epstein.
It's pretty clear who some of the players were. They were governments. The US government involved, British
government involved, Israeli government involved at various levels. The guy lived a fairly long life. He died in his
mid60s. He was pretty active in
government work, arms trading for example from a young age from his late 20s I think when he left Bear Sterns he
got into that business with Robert Maxwell you don't trade arms by yourself you do it on behalf of governments and
with the assistance of governments obviously you've been around this you know so from that age from say 30 to
what 65ish when he died so 35 years he's intersecting with governments It's and
it's not just the Israelis. I mean, the Israelis were definitely involved. Ahood Barack is living at his house. I mean,
okay, and we have a lot of his emails that prove that, but and I'm not defending the Israeli government, which
is hard to defend, but I'm just telling trying to tell the truth, which is it's not just the Israelis, okay? It's us,
it's the British, the French, it's the usual players, the intel services that
matter in the West, and probably others. So that's who's being protected of
course and then all kinds of other pawns. And so I think one of the main takeaways from that story about which I
know a lot but not everything is that the leaders that we believe are
leaders and people are starting to get this like our elected officials oh they have so much power. Senator so and so
president what's his name you know like these are the people running our society are not the people running our society of course they themselves are subject to
enormous pressures from you know other people and coalitions of people and forces and
interests and like that's what they're and the closer you get to them the more time you spend with the people who are in charge
the more you realize they're not really in charge or they're only semi-incharge how how does how does it happen I am I'm
very I mean you know in in how does it happen? Do they we talked about this a
little bit at breakfast I don't think everything is as
transactional as it may seem. Oh no. I think that this is from my own experience and I and
I don't believe I've fallen into any yet but I think I've I have come close.
I think they they they they set traps and that and that doesn't mean there's a
hooker in the [ __ ] hotel room that you walk into. Oh, you know what I mean? There is some
for somebody that [ __ ] weak. You'd have to and stupid by the way. But and I'm sure there's plenty of
people out there that are that [ __ ] stupid. Porn sites. I'm gonna look up trainy porn on you up porn. Well, that's not
controlled by a foreign intel service. Oh, it is. It is. That actually is true.
So yeah, I mean there are a million ways that your weaknesses expose you to influence for sure.
I think they they can be very giving
and it in in I think they can be very giving and it appears that you're being
led into a group and then Oh, I'm watching that right now with
someone. Yes. And then you're [ __ ] done. Of course. but not even realizing it until you're in.
Oh, yes. And uh I think I've come close and I always like if I even get a [ __ ]
inkling of that happening, I'm like, "No, done. Not not going not not getting on the not going there. Not
going there. Not doing it." Like I'm my own [ __ ] person and I don't
What are you going to get me? Money. I've got that. And when it's not all that's cracked up to me.
You don't even know what's happening. I mean, how many plots have I been involved in unwittingly? I don't even
know the answer, but a lot a lot. I can think of a bunch of them where you have
someone like who you work for being like, you know, we should really take a look at this. This guy's bad. Let's, you
know, okay, you know, when I was young living in Washington, I was I was used
all the time and had no idea. I literally had no, it never even occurred to me. Mhm.
And a lot of my resentment as a middle-aged man comes from that and I think a lot about it. And um I'm not
going to blame the people who did it because that's who they are. But I definitely participated in a lot of
stuff without my knowledge that was much more strategic than I ever guessed.
You're sitting in a meeting, you know, we should really do this. Okay, I'll do it. And you wind up doing it. And then
ultimately became inconsistent with my instincts and my conscience. And I was like, ah, this is bad. I'm not quite sure how. But then you look back and
you're like, "Oh my gosh." And now, of course, my whole life is,
you know, I don't understand anything really, but you see glimpses of a lot of different things every single day. Well,
you should go here and talk to so- and so and like, what is this exactly? And if you're busy, you don't ask yourself
enough, what is this? I mean, I think that happens to me every single day cuz my text is public. So,
everyone has my text. Everybody has my same number for 30 years. I'm not changing it. I just refuse. I'm not
afraid of people and I'm not going to change my number. And so I get hundreds and hundreds of texts every day. Some people I know, most people I do know.
And um you know, some of them are totally straightforward and people I trust and a lot of them aren't. And and
sometimes I don't care what plot you're hatching. I want to do this thing because I have my own agenda, which is
to shed light on something that isn't wellknown enough. That's this is my perspective and I'm going to do it. I
don't care whether it fits into your plans or not. I'm doing it. I've done a lot of interviews, like a lot of
interviews and travel to a lot of countries with that in mind. But yeah, there tons of people trying to suborn
you and make you part of their agenda. And mostly it's not blackmail. I've never been blackmailed in my life. No
one's ever suggested that. I'm not I'm I you know, I'm not banging the hooker in my room. Sorry. I don't drink. I mean,
it's like kind of hard to to blackmail me. I like to think it's impossible. Maybe
they could find a way, but but that's not how it happens for most people. And but then there's another element which
I'm thinking a lot about which I don't really understand but I know is real where people fall under a kind of spell.
Mhm. And people you know to be rational. Mike Huckabe is one of them. We were talking
about this at breakfast cuz I'm obsessed with it because I know Mike Huckabe so well. I was at the newspaper in Arkansas
over 30 years ago and I knew him then. I w up at Fox News with him decades later. I worked with him. I knew him then. I
always like my cuckabe. I like him now. My cuckabe is not a bad person. He's
very money oriented, which is a weakness for anybody, of course. Um, so there's that, but
that's not unusual. He's not a bad person at all. Mike Huckabe is a nice man, but Mike Huckabe has participated
in things that are just objectively evil in my opinion. And how did that happen?
Cuz my cuckabe woke up and decided he wanted to do something evil. No, I know Mike Huckabe. He doesn't feel that way
at all. He's a decent man. I watch Huckabe and because I do know him, I'm I
marvel at it. He has fallen under some sort of spell. I do think it's
supernatural. I know a number of people like that. I'm calling him out by name because he's been involved in something
recently that's like so shocking to me that I I can't I can't even believe he
participated in something like that. But he said we wouldn't be shocked anymore. Exactly. Exactly. We wouldn't be shocked
anymore. So everything that I have learned comes from like sitting in my sauna trying to figure out obvious
things. Complex things are very easy to understand. Simple things right in front
of your face are the great mysteries. And when you know people and you have a
fairly good sense of their character and their you know what, you know what their the
kind of things they'd be willing to do, what their goals are. I think my cuckabe's goal is to spread the gospel
of Jesus and and I think that about him. I do. I think a lot of my cuckabe. How could a man like that wind up doing the
things that he's been doing? Not creepy personal things. Nothing nothing like that. But like promoting
things that are like obviously evil, like the murder of kids. Like how could you do that? Well, he couldn't do that.
He would never do that. He's doing it because he is under some kind of spell.
He has no idea he's doing it. And I just explained a time in my life where I was
under a kind of spell. It never even occurred to me. I worked for Bill Crystal at the time that Bill Crystal,
my editor, my boss, who gave me this job, was like hilarious in meetings that he could really be working tirelessly on
an agenda that was like totally anti-Christian. How could that ever be? that what Bill
Crystal really hates is Christianity. That never occurred to me. And he wanted to stamp out
nationalism and, you know, public displays of loyalty to
Jesus. Like, he hated that. I did not get that at all. It never occurred. Never entered my brain one time. So, I
was unresponed myself. So, I'm not even judging. I'm just saying people fall into this way of thinking that is so
clear to me influenced by supernatural forces where they are blinded in the
entire Bible from beginning to end is the story of people who can't see things right in front of them. They just can't.
It's happening right there. So all this evidence over it's overwhelming. They can touch it, smell it, feel it, but
they cannot acknowledge its reality. And um so anyway, I I that's part of it.
People are engaged in these projects that are just like totally antihuman and they think they're on the right side.
They really believe it. So I so I I would just say like the analysis of that
I read on the internet. I try to not read the internet, but you know, you read it and you're like people of good faith are like, "Wow, that person's
clearly getting a payoff or you know, they've got videotape of him banging a dog or whatever they come up with these
idea." You know what I mean? they're compromised. And I think because I know so many of
the people they're talking about, I'm like, yeah, in some in some Lindsey Graham, like, okay, I believe that.
Like, what is that? But there are a million other people who I'm like, I don't think there's videotape of them
doing anything wrong. I don't think they're taking money for this. I think they really believe they're doing the right thing. And that's more upsetting
to me because it's more subtle and it's more profound than just blackmail.
Does that make sense? It does make sense. And looking back on your life, I mean, it's hard for any of us to look
back on our lives without feeling very complicated feelings. But do you detect
any moments where like you were involved in something and you you never even paused to ask like, "What is this? Why
am I participating in this?" It never even dawned on you.
I mean, I just I think you just have to I mean, when I started
doing this, I just there's all kinds of I've got all kinds
of incriminating [ __ ] out there. Tons of it. Tons of it, you know. But I
and and I'm aware of it and I know it was [ __ ] up that what I did, but you know, I'm not um
But did you know it at the time? reconciliation. Yeah, I knew it was [ __ ] up at the time. Not all of it,
but yeah, the majority of it. Like, I mean, it didn't I didn't I didn't fall into any honeypotss. I I didn't need a
honeypot. That's the point. That's too obvious. They're never going to get you with the Russian hooker because everyone's on
guard against the Russian hooker.
They didn't need to do anything to get me to fall into anything because I was already doing it all. And there's this
thing, you know, called uh reconciliation, confession, whatever you want to call it, you know, and you come clean and and and you you [ __ ] own
it, you know, JCO calls it extreme ownership, right? But I I mean, it's just it's taking ownership of your
fuckups and like you cannot be afraid of that. And there I don't I tend to think that people are
very forgiving and so I don't know, you know, when we talk about [ __ ] like the Epstein and all of this stuff, right?
Like when we talk about all of these things and all of the the blackmail and stuff, it's like just complain, man.
Just I've made this get ahead of the times. Everyone wants to believe in our
institutions. I I certainly feel that way. As disappointed and angry as I am about the
failure of every institution, I really want to believe in the institutions. You know, I really really do. I mean that.
And all it takes to restore a relationship with a person or an institution is honesty and repentance.
That's it. It's like not hard. People are so forgiving. I totally agree with that. All of us want to forgive. There's nothing better than the prodigal son.
Like he's gone. [ __ ] that guy. He took all the money and left. He's, you know, in whouses in Babylon and then but now
he's here. It's all forgiven. We're so excited for you. We're throwing a huge party for you. All of us feel that way.
And so I don't think it's hard or it's hard but it's not complicated and it's
so worth it to say I was completely wrong. I'll be wrong again. I'm going to
try my best. Maybe sometimes I won't try my best. But just be honest.
I think that's liberation. That's the only liberation actually. It's freeing. I mean
Yeah. What I mean what other liberation is there?
Does voting matter anymore? I don't know. This I'm just
I don't know whether voting me so much. Like looking back, I don't I
don't I don't I I don't We didn't really have much of a [ __ ] option here, but I mean, we slowly thought, but
nothing I voted for happened.
What about you? Are you happy with anything? Oh, I'm happy with so much.
It's going on. Of course not. It's just a nightmare of depravity and corruption
in general in the world. But what you expect? I am so struck by,
you know, I'm not a TV watch, but there's the only really famous Seinfeld episode is Opposite Day.
You're probably in the jungle or doing something bad somewhere. you missed this, but um there's this famous episode
of the sitcom Seinfeld where one of the characters decides to do everything the opposite that day and gets like results
he didn't expect. It works. And I just feel like that is the lesson of
everything. That's the lesson of life. That's the biatitudes. The first will be last, the meek shall
inherit the earth. What's that? It's the opposite of what you think. Jesus says, "I'm going to build my
church on this rock." Peter who's just betrayed him three times to a girl rock. That's like jello. It's the opposite. If
you're going to build a church, you build it on the strongest man. He builds it on the weakest man. And everything in our life points to the
same truth. It's the opposite of what you expect every freaking time. And so again, back to the same theme.
it really makes me happy to know the only thing that matters is the words you
speak and that they're true. That's the only thing that changes history ever.
You think about the number of wars, some of which you've participated in directly over the past 25 years. How many have like made things better or changed
anything? Not really doing the math. Zero. How many wars actually do the
biggest war in human history? 1914 to 1918 set the stage for the even bigger
war history. So it's like but what does make things better? Telling the truth in the end when
everything is gone when your civilization has been leveled and archaeologists trying to piece together
you know what it was all about. The only things that remain are the words that
you spoke and they're the things that change people. And this is like an ancient concept. In
the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. That's you know ancient cultures understood that an idea articulated
emerges from the mouth of the speaker and becomes a separate living thing and lives there forever. And anyone who's
argued with his wife knows that that's true. The second you say something harsh, especially if it's true, it can't
be taken back and it hangs there in the kitchen over you overshadowing
everything. So, and and or last argument I'll make the way to the way that I understand the
world is in reverse almost like an X-ray. So, I look at the people who I don't respect, who I believe have
totalitarian impulses, and I try to assess what's true by what their priorities are.
So your enemies are the people who want to control you and crush you and destroy your family and your nation. Obviously
what do they want above all? They want to control what you say.
They want to control what you say. What's the first amendment to the bill of rights? The freedom of speech. What
you say matters more than anything. Your words articulated out loud are
living things and they're more powerful than you are and they live beyond you. Your grave will go unvisited. Your words
will continue to reverberate through the universe. I really believe that. I know that that's true. And that's the whole
story of history. There there are no living ancient Hebrews. We know a lot about what they
thought because they wrote it down. Their words have lived for 3,000 years. So what we say is the most important
thing about us. And if we can force ourselves to tell the truth, we will
change things. And by things I mean people and their attitudes, their
beliefs, their hearts. And that's all we can do. That's all we can do. And I
would say if we make a little extra money on the side, we should build a fishing camp in the woods because I think that's really important. But it's not as important as I mean like yeah I
do think that I have all kinds of sentimental attachments. I don't really care about things that much but I care about nature. So so like that is
important but but it's not important in an ultimate sense. My fishing camp will be a strip mall someday you know or
it'll be a lunar landscape someday but your words will
outlive you. I love that. I just think that's true. And I no one
has convinced me of that. I've been convinced of that by watching. And really, I've been convinced of it by
watching what the opponents of people and of civilization really care about.
And the number one thing they care about is getting you to shut up. As long as you'll shut up, you can have whatever
you want. And that that really is the trade-off that our leaders make is not by doing things, it's by not saying
certain things. And the ones who refuse to be told what to say are destroyed or
face the threat of destruction. And you know exactly who they are. Now
what have they done exactly? Does anyone care what the two or three trutht tellers in our political system have
done? What they voted for? What their? No one even knows. No one cares. All they care about is what they say out
loud. And the reason they care is because that's the most important thing.
They know what's important. We don't. We're totally sidetracked by this that bobbles and fastmoving flashy objects,
but they know what's important. The spoken word is the most important.
Anyway, so that that makes me feel good. That makes me feel really really good cuz I know what my mission is. And I
feel like if you know what your mission is and you know what the stakes are and you're willing to accept them and I should just say I'm in such an unusual
position because all my kids are grown and they're all thriving and I don't have any investors or debt. No one can
control me. I'm kind of happy with less. I'm not a money I've never been a money person. I'm not bragging but I'm never
have been. Ask anyone who knows me. And so they're really the cost to me is so much lower than to a man with like four
kids in private school. you're 35 and your wife's like where you're barely making it. You are subject to and I have
been and earlier in my life subject to all kinds of control mechanisms you don't even perceive but you're so afraid
of losing what you have and you're really afraid of it because you've have children at
home and having small children at home who are totally dependent on you who you love more than your own life that is a
really really scary time for every man and I know that you're living it now and I've lived it my oldest is 31 years old
next week I've lived it for 31 years I Oh, but you get to a point where it's
not such an imminent threat because your children have their own lives and if you're blessed as I've been, they're
doing great. You love them and you want to see your grandchildren. There's so many things you want, but you don't need
any of it. And your responsibility is gone. I'm not responsible for educating
someone and telling them the facts of life at dinner. You know what I mean? It's like that's all it's I'm done. So
I'm just in this incredibly privileged position where the stakes are just a lot lower for me. So I can see with greater
clarity what what am I doing for the back nine and I just have such a simple simple
understanding of that. Just tell the truth. Don't be moved from the truth. You don't have to tell the whole truth. You don't have to say everything. You I
know a lot of [ __ ] or I think I know a lot of [ __ ] because that's my job and a lot of it I'm not sure it's true or
I don't know. Don't say everything. You know, you don't have to. You don't have to tell people, "Oh, you're you're fat.
You don't have that." Okay, it's probably true. You don't have to say that. You're under no obligation to say that. Your only obligation,
don't ever lie. Don't allow people to make you lie. Resolve I'll die first. Just telling you to die first. Not going
to do that. And I think that's that's your duty.
Yeah. I don't know. throughout this journey just in kids, especially kids, man, it's it's made me
really try to start honing in on things that I I I can actually make an impact in, you
know, and and like like we were talking about there's there's there are things and and that you can make an impact in
and we have little nuggets here and there, but um you know, I don't think [ __ ] politics is for me and I don't I don't
think it's not for me either. It's not for me. I don't know what I mean like and um I don't even understand it. And I mean
you were off fighting wars. I was covering the Congress and the White House and a million elections all around
the I've been to every state, you know, every I know all the politicians personally. I still don't even
understand the process and I'm not interested in it. I really am not. Some consultant called me yesterday to get me
to interview someone and he's like, "Oh, you know, this is uh Congressional District 13." This is I don't even know what you're talking about. I just have
so little interest in it. You know, it's not interesting and people who are
really really interested in it are damaged. I think in general want to generalize, but you know, overall, not a
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What What are you passionate about now? I mean, I'm I'm looking for things that I can make an impact in. What what what
is it like? What issues? I mean, I'm super passionate about my family. My family is so big that it's
like it's it's it's literally I could spend all day every day involved in
family stuff. There's just so many people and, you know, I'm the oldest male and so it's just, you know, really
involved, really very close, super close, cohesive family, very everyone's everyone's best friend.
It's just so interesting and you can just like get involved in try to help in marginal ways or
whatever. Just talk to people. So, I I'm very interested in that. I'm interested. I have more hobbies than any person's
ever had. Way too many. My son's like, "You should take a bow hunting." Yeah, I don't think so. Like, I need more
obsessions. I don't think so. Too many rabbit holes already in my life. But what am I interested in my job? And
I mean, what when you're talking about telling truth, when you're talking about and the way I take that is exposing,
you know, shining the light in the darkness. I'm interested in the the elimination of white people.
What do you mean by that? I mean, white people have been targeted
for disappearance and no one wants to say that because
they've been bullied into not noticing or talking about it because you're like a white supremacist. Well, I'm not a
white supremacist. I don't think whites are inherently superior to any other group. I don't judge how I feel about someone
by his race. I never have. and I'm never going to. It's against my religion and it's against my instinct. I believe in
what people are like, but I travel a lot around the world and I'm not an expert
on the world, but I I you know, I know more about it than people who don't travel a lot. And I'm leaving this week
again. And one thing that I have noticed because it's impossible not to notice is that majority white countries
are becoming non-majority white. And that's a result of policies that are
deliberate that are not popular with the populations of those countries and that people are discouraged from noticing in
it. In some places they're arrested like in Great Britain where I'm going on Friday. So it's like what is that? And
it's not happening in one or two but in every single one. And what's so interesting is because no
one's been allowed to talk about it. The only people who talk about it are like crazy
race theorists or, you know, prison inmates who were like, you know, whatever, caught up in being white or
something. By the way, you didn't choose to be white, okay? It's nothing you did. You didn't choose to have your eye color, your height. None of these things
you can brag about because you didn't do them. They're an accident of your birth. So, I've never agreed with any of that
crap. But because normal people have been bullied into not noticing,
um, the only people who ever say anything about it are people who are like obsessed with it. But it is an
incredible thing that every white country on the
planet except Russia, the one everyone hates, is on the road in very short
order to become completely different from what it was 50 years ago
in its population, demographically different. Is that an accident? Well, of course, it's not an accident. It's an
it's the result of a bunch of different It's a multi-prong strategy clearly to
make the populations of those countries hate themselves for how they were born and accept these changes. It's been
systematic. What is that? I'm not, as I said, I'm
not a white sup, by the way. I would just admit it at this point. Why do I care? I'm a white supremist. Okay. I'm actually not. I disagree with that.
don't think that you should be obsessed with people's appearance a or
the accident of their birth or their genetics. I just am opposed to all of that. Again, for the eighth time, Paul,
the chief prosecutor, murderer of Christians, became the most important Christian once he met Jesus. So, if you
need more examples, I don't know what they could be. That people can totally change. Has nothing to do with how
you're born. It's what you become. And that's my that's my deepest belief.
So if I sound defensive, it's because we have all been trained to ignore this
amazing thing that's never happened before in history where one group of people
is being destroyed and and of course have internalized that and are now enthusiastically participating in their
own destruction and the death of an entire group of people. And it really is like if you go to Great Britain, it's
the whites who can't wait to kill themselves.
It's in Canada, same thing. They have the maids program which is state sponsored killing of its own citizens.
Physician assisted suic encouraging people to kill themselves. And it's one of the leading causes of death in Canada
is this maids program. Is this these machines that these it could be machines? It's you know the
state is licensed to kill its citizens. the citizens just goes in and said, "I I want to be killed." And they kill you.
And basically for any reason, mental health problems, financial problems, a lot of poor people are just like, "I I
feel like I'm a burden to the country. I want to go die and and the state will kill you." It's one of the leading causes of death in Canada. So the
numbers came out yesterday. Well, who's doing this? So Canada is about 65% white, something like that is completely
changed. Heavily heavily South Asian and uh Indian, Bangladeshi, Pakistani,
and lots of other peoples. You know, it's massive immigration, massive, massive immigration into Canada. But who's being killed by the state in
Canada? It's like 97% legacy whites, literally.
And what the hell is that? And of course, these are people who have been told and now believe that like they're a
burden to society. It's selfish to have children. They've been totally brainwashed into mass suicide.
And of course, none of this is affecting my family. We're we have the opposite views. We're not proud to be white.
We're not white because we chose to be white. We just happen to be born white. So, it's nothing to be proud of. It's just a fact. On the other hand,
targeting people on the basis of their race for destruction is the reason we say we hate the Nazis.
And yet, that's absolutely happening globally in every white country.
Australia, New Zealand, Great Britain, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England,
the United States, and Canada. That's an accident. It's not an accident at all.
And no one will say anything about it. And why wouldn't you say something like what is if that by the way if that were
happening in India? Like we got too many Indians here. A billion Indians. That's
too many Indians. We need more Africans here. anyone Indian like here's a we can kill you because you're a burden just
not have kids or take some SSRIs and just benzo and weed and just zone out
until you die or whatever but like you're bad. I would be like that's the sickest thing
I've ever seen. Like why do we hate Indians? I kind of like Indians or whatever. You would just be like why is why why would we want to do that to
them? What did they do wrong? You know what I mean? I would just think that and that's happening to whites globally at
such a speed and no one is saying anything about it that I've decided
because I just want to tell the truth about what I notice that I'm going to say something about it. I think it's
totally wrong. I think it's totally evil. Again, it's exactly what we said we hated about the Nazis, and we're
participating in it. And I'm going to keep saying that no matter what they say. And they'll be like, "Oh, you're a
white supremacist." No, I'm not. And I have a lot of theories about what
this is and why. What is it? Why would they do it? Who is they?
Every globalist, the United Nations, the United States government, State Department, all of our politicians. Joe
Biden standing up and being like, "The main problem in America is white racism from white men." Said that on tape many times and I can't wait till this is a
non-white majority country. What? Why would you? Okay, you could argue about whether it's better or worse as
non-white, you know, okay, you could argue like the effects of it, but why would you want that? Why would you look around the country and say there's too
many white people? And that's the that's the official position of every institution in the United States. All of our schools, we give preference to
non-whites, non-white males, every single school, every single big business, every single federal contract.
Institutionally, we are opposed to whites and white men. And it's we're so
marinating in it that no one stops and says, "Wait, what the hell is that?" Again, that's why we hated the Nazis cuz
they did [ __ ] like that. That's why we say segregation was wrong, which it was. That's why we hate Bull Connor. It's why
we venerate Martin Luther King because that's wrong. That way of thinking is wrong. wrong. And by the way, it doesn't matter what group is being targeted. It
is wrong in an absolute sense. It's a universal principle. It's always wrong. Whether you're Pakistani or Malaysian or
Indian or from Myanmar or from Minnesota, it's always wrong to hurt
people or help others to elevate some and suppress others on the basis of their race. I thought that was the basis
of our c of our common culture. And they told me it was. They put a monument on
the mall to that which I totally believe in. Judge a man by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. I
grew up with that. I believe it. I believe it now. And we're doing exactly the opposite. And it's so totally pervasive, all pervasive. And nothing
has been done to reverse it at all. We're mad about anti-semitism at Harvard, but which I am I'm against
anti-semitism completely for the same reasons, but no one's lifted a finger to
address the actual problem, which is like normal middle- class white kids have no shot of going to Harvard.
They're hated. The curriculum hates them officially. Here's a book saying
whiteness is evil. Let's assign that. It's like, if there was a book that says Jewishness is evil, we'd be like, no. Or
blackness is evil. No. So this has gone on for really since the
Second World War. And I think like so many things that are bad
and if you say that they're like, "Oh, you're for Hitler." No, I'm very anti- Hitler. Hitler was anti-Christian and a murderer. Destroyed his own people and
lots of other peoples, including Jews. And I'm totally opposed to all of that. But it's just a fact that since the
Second World War, these trends, which are now flowering, and we can see that it's the end of something, they began
then. They began in 1945. What is that? And I have a lot of thoughts about that, but one is that
our leaders globally in the West took away from World War II one big lesson,
and that's that any white majority Christian country is a threat to world peace, to the order. You can't have a
majority white Christian country because Germany under the Nazis was majority white Christian. Now, of course, the
Nazis were not a Christian government. They were an anti-Christian government that killed a lot of priests, but whatever. That has somehow become a kind
of unspoken consensus among many of our leaders. In fact, I would say almost all of our leaders.
They're embarrassed of tons of white people in the same place. Look at look at that picture. That doesn't look like
America. And none of us have ever said anything like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You're attacking people on the basis of their race. Isn't that what you say you hate that we're all against? But you're
doing it. Why don't you stop that immediately?" No one has ever had the balls to say that. And so it's kind of
proceeded a pace and it's become not just a consensus but like the reason for everything.
And the result of that is the total destruction
of the white world. And there was a white world. There was a Chinese world to it and an Indian world and an Arab
world. There are lots of different worlds or different peoples in the country. And I know them all and I like them all actually because I've been to all their countries. I've never been to
a country I didn't like. I've never I've never married in a culture I didn't
think was interesting and kind of cool even though it's not mine, you know. I am not I'm the opposite of like
small-minded person. I'm like I'm really for diversity actually. I've really enjoyed it a lot. If I went, you know, I
always spend a lot of time in the Middle East and I enjoy it because it's Middle Eastern. It's not American. So like you
can love different cultures and I sincerely ask anyone who travels with me. I sincerely do without wanting to
destroy the one you grew up in. And like if other people are trying to destroy it on the basis of race, which they are,
it's totally within bounds to be like, what are you doing and why? And that's what immigration is. Of course, it's not
an effort to make our economy better. And you see these people say, well, you know, which is tr this is true, but
you'll hear people say of of mass migration. It's an effort for the ownership class to access cheaper labor
by globalizing everything. And that of course as a matter of economics is absolutely true. But it's not the whole
story. When you start importing people from countries that are, you know, badly educated and
socially dysfunctional and totally incompatible culturally with yours, are you really doing that so you can like
reap their cheap labor? Are we importing Somali so we can like set them to work in factories for half the rate that
Native Americans No, we're not. They're not working in factories. Not working at all in a lot of cases. They're on state
and federal aid. I'm not attacking them. I'm just saying I'm I'm attacking the motives of the people who imported them
against the will of the American population. I mean, there was never a ground swell. Let's bring in 50 million
people illegally and put them on welfare. No one ever asked for that. No one ever wanted that. So why did they do
it? Well, they did it not to make the country richer. They didn't. They did it to make it non-majority white. So, that
is an act by definition of racial hostility, of racism,
and they've never been called out on it because somehow they the first thing they did was take
the moral high ground and occupy it and start yelling at everybody about how they're bad, you're racist, shut up
racist, shut up Nazi. And they so thoroughly intimidated the population into not saying anything that
they just destroyed it. And then a lot of the whites who really always the ones that I blame since I am white and you
just sort of instinctively blame people who look like you. Just a fact. They're always telling you you hate the other.
That's the opposite of what I've noticed about people. I feel like people are much more open-minded about the other.
I've been in practically every country in the world and people do something outrageous and I'll be like, "Oh, that's kind of interesting." I'm much less
judgmental. But when someone who looks like me, who grew up in the same country I did does something wrong, I have no grace for
that person, I judge them. And it and it was the whites who did this. Sorry, it's
just a fact. And they're the ones who get hysterical when you point it out. And when I go to the UK, which is a lot
cuz I have family there. As I said, I'm going in two days. I
never have been in an argument with any Pakistani or Bangladeshi or Indian and
ever or Arab in London ever. It's all they're always like, "Yeah, okay. You've
got views." And they actually agree with a lot of my views. Honestly, just I just have noticed this. Okay. It's always the
rich whites who get way up in your face about it. In fact, I had a speech
at a very very famous school, one of the most famous schools in England.
I had a speech on Sunday night. One of the someone at the school asked me to do it. Of course, I will do it for free. I'm just I was there and so I would do
it. And he I just got a text saying, "No, you've been cancelled because they don't want you on campus because you're
too dangerous." This is like a very famous white school.
They're the ones who were mad. They're the ones who were touchy about it. And the reason they're mad and they're
touchy is because, and this is such a familiar phenomenon, they've turned the hate against them
inward on themselves. And people who hate themselves are the least trustworthy, most
dangerous people in the world. If someone hates himself, he'll definitely hate you. There's just no doubt. There's
no doubt. I've watched people carefully for many years, and that is that is the group that I fear. the people who've
internalized the hate and turned it inward. And we have whole countries like that and whole leadership classes like
the very familiar image of the angry menopausal liberal politician screaming
at people about their sexism and racism. What are we really looking at? We're looking at someone who hates herself,
you know, who's had no leadership in her life, no security, no love, no real
relationships. She's miserable and she's turning that misery outward and projecting it on the population. And
that's a lot of our leadership classes like that.
Sorry for such a long answer, but I really feel it.
where does it derive from? Well, that's a really interesting question. And then the and the short
answer is I don't know. You know, I mean, I'm as I think I've made clear in the in our conversation, I'm I'm
much more likely now in the past couple of years to think about the spiritual
dimension of who wins human. What's the motive? Nobody wins. That's that's kind of what
I've arrived at is that and that actually is what made me think more deeply about Christianity and about the
spiritual realm and read the Bible. And it's really changed my life was not
because I noticed how decent Christians were to each other. I wish I could say that was true. But what changed my life
was watching the how American politics had changed from an argument about how
best to serve the population. You had two sides, you know, having this debate. Well, I think we should raise taxes. No, I think we should lower them, but but
the goal was at least purportedly the same on both sides. Like, how do we do the best job we can for the people we
represent that we lead for our people? And that was always the conversation.
You had these kind of amazing interesting arguments. And I literally did it for a living. I was on a show called Crossfire. It was right and left.
And we would debate what was best for the country. And the debates were dumb and what it was cable news. So of course
it was at a pretty low level but I never one time questioned the goal was like what's good for America and then about
10 years ago the nature of the debate changed all you had these issues that like immigration was one the trans thing
the gay thing was another was like how in the world could that possibly be good
for anybody it's not good for the people you say you're for good everyone else
like I see only destruction abolish the police or defund the police.
That's one of the things that convinced me. It's like, okay, if you believe that George Floyd was beaten to death by a
racist cop, he deed on fentanyl. But even if you believed he was beaten to
death by a racist cop, and the biggest problem that black people have in America is racist cops, racist white
cops making $47,000 a year, they're the problem. It's not the billionaires that are the
problem. It's the union cop is the problem. Okay. Okay. All right. But if you believe that, let's say you really
believe that, and let's say, you know, you really your life's goal was to help black people, which I'm not against.
It's a fine goal, help black people. How long would it take you, if you
really wanted to help black people, to get to the solution, defund the police? Like, you would never
arrive at that solution because obviously defunding the police is not going to help black people or white
people or Asian people or any people. It's not going to help people. Make the police better maybe, but get rid of the
police. Like, how does that work? How is that possibly going to wind up improving anybody's life? And of course, the
answer was it it can't. And it didn't. And but it was never going to. So, I
watched that and of course I'm opposed to it, you know, for the normal conservative reasons. We need police.
But even the fact that we were having that conversation was a signal to me that this is a very
different thing than I'm used to. This is people advocating and and not just
like the underclass. By the way, black people played no role in that conversation at all. No one ever asked black people what they thought. It was
just like eight of their designated representatives on MSNBC were like, "I'm a black person. Here's what" But no one
actually asked black people what they thought cuz no one cared. The point was never to make anyone's life better. It
was to destroy the country and the people who live in it. It was purely destructive.
I really brooded on this because I had to write the script every night. So I was like constantly in my head thinking like what are we watching? Don't be
distracted by the [ __ ] like what is this? And I concluded because there was no
other conclusion that the point was destruction. That was the point.
So I have always thought since I was a child that it's a binary. There are creators and destroyers. A synonym for
this is good and evil. God creates his opponents destroy. God created the earth
and the heavens. His opponents destroy them. It's that simple. I mean, it's complex on in many ways, but
fundamentally, it's that simple. It's creation destruction. And I've always been for creation always. I just I
believe in procreation. I believe in impregnating women. It's awesome. I believe in building cabins.
Awesome. I like to create. I like what my dogs have, puppies. So,
I saw this right away and I was like, this is not a political debate. This is a spiritual struggle. creation versus
destruction. And that totally changed my life in
every way. That really set off a chain reaction in me that changed me and changed my understanding of the world.
Changed my sense of my own purpose in the world. How long have you been thinking this?
Since Memorial Day 2020. What happened on Memorial Day in 2013?
George Floyd riots. And I'd covered, you know, a lot of stuff and been a lot
of places and seen chaos and stuff. And one thing that I have concluded that I just noticed as a kid
watch you know a Katrina or in Iraq or in Pakistan where you see like things fall apart is that
everyone you know was so scared of war and violence and all that stuff but
that the scare and oppression you know I was always an Orwell fan so I was like you know big brother's the scariest thing. No the scariest thing is chaos.
Chaos is the scariest thing. chaos. And then later in life when I read the Old Testament, I was like, "God brought
order out of chaos." Of course, I I didn't even know. I mean, I'm Episcopalian, so I didn't really know anything.
But chaos, I just noticed it because I was in a couple several times in the middle of what was cha was chaos. No one
in charge. You know, kids with rifles are in charge. They have no goals. They have no
program. There's no ideology. And my whole life, I've been understanding history through the lens of ideology.
there are these revolutionary peasants in Peru and they're Sera Luminoso and they're revolutionary peasants in
Vietnam and they're the Vietkong and like everything was about like the idea and what I didn't realize until I saw it
in person was no it's not that it's much it's atistic
it's much deeper than that it's more primitive it's more fundamental than that it's the struggle in the universe
is between order and chaos and I'm on the side of order not on the side of repression order is now a synonym for
repression which I hate cuz I believe in the human soul and the dignity of every person, but chaos is
the worst thing. And I saw people in my country fermenting chaos for its own sake. I don't know if they're
intentionally evil. Probably not. Most of us aren't. But they were tools of spiritual forces doing that. And I
instantly recognized this was totally different from everything I've been covering and thinking about, writing about, talking about on TV for 30 years.
This was a new thing. And um and that that just changed it
when that chaos broke out in Minneapolis. I'm not from Minneapolis. I have no attachment to Minneapolis. Yes,
there are a lot of Swedes in Minneapolis or were I think left, but but I saw this for what it was and I was so bothered by
it that actually went to the convenience store where George Floyd tried to pass the
phony $20 bill and went to the site where he was killed and wander all around by myself. I literally landed
there, went by myself, didn't do a story on or anything. I just I just want to see it. And what I saw was what I expected to
see a year later. It was a year after it happened in 2021. I went and I saw a
place that had never recovered and never would recover. And that to me was proof of what I suspected, which was the point
was destruction. The point was not rebirth. They always tell you it's rebirth. We need to tear it down in order to rebuild it. They never rebuild
it because they don't want to because that's not the point. And people who want to build just go ahead and build. And people want to destroy go ahead and
destroy. And they're in totally different camps. are on opposing sides. It's literally that simple. Anyone who
tells you we need to knock it down in order to build it again is lying to you and probably to himself. He may think that that's not his goal. His goal is to
destroy because Satan's job is to destroy you and everything around you. Everything good, everything beautiful,
everything orderly, everything warm and loving and fraternal, everything honest
is to destroy. Destroy loyalty, destroy beauty. All the things that are virtues will be destroyed. and that
all-consuming fire of destruction. And I just didn't know that. I was thinking in totally different terms,
political terms, stupid terms, childish terms. And I didn't even know it. I didn't even know how dumb I was because
Holy [ __ ] So that was a moment for me and I was
the beauty of my job then and now is there's a lot of not a lot not enough
but there was some contemplative time where cuz if you have to talk about stuff or present an opinion
part of the process is like thinking about what is my opinion and now that I have no pressure on me from anywhere I
have zero pressure on me at all I don't have a boss I don't care about
what people who hate me think necessarily. And if they have a good point, I try to listen to it. But
their purpose is not to instruct, it's to destroy. But anyway, now that I have no pressure on me, I have more
contemplative time and I have a freer mind. And I think I
can see things more clearly. I hope I can always with the knowledge that we go really off track and don't know it,
including me. But I I think everything I've said is true. I believe it's true anyway.
Do you think that this agenda that you're talking about, do you think this comes from nations,
governments, humans, or do you think that this is
spiritual? Well, it's clearly spiritual. Well, I mean really every big thing that we do
is I mean if you believe what every culture
who's ever left any record of what it believes has believed there is an ongoing unseen struggle between light
and darkness, order and chaos, destruction and creation, good and evil, God and Satan. Like every there's no
culture that hasn't believed that ever. ever except Western culture since the end of the Second World War. We're in
this absurd delusion about God is dead. But God's not dead and everyone has
thought that and everyone's thought that because it's obviously true and the signs are all around us. So if you believe that and I didn't believe this
five or six years ago, I may have told you I believed it, but I definitely didn't really believe it at all. I
didn't live like I believed it. I didn't think like I believed it. But now I do because I've seen a lot. I've seen more
than most people. And that's my conclusion. And
if you believe that, then you know, you know that in the end the
good guys win. There's a lot of drama between here and there. Probably won't live to see it, but it doesn't matter.
You do your part. But it definitely it makes a lot of the
details not unimportant, but it sets them in context.
And it definitely gets you out of this kind of pointless loop in your head of
like shock, outrage, I can't, you know, into the kind of social media
dialogue that goes on inside your own skull where you're, you know, it's like point counterpoint. Well, this person did this. I used to believe in that
person. I can't believe he's betrayed me. It's like again for the fifth time, what did you
think it was? What did you think it was? Did you find yourself believing that a human being was going to save your soul
and like fix human sin? Who's the [ __ ] You. You believe that?
And I no longer do believe that at all. And I know how flawed I am. I mean, I have a keen sense of that. I'm reminded
of it every day. And so, how can I expect someone else to be like good and
true and pure and never bend the knee and always do the right thing? Like, no.
We're all imperfect, but we're, you know, some of us are at least trying
with the knowledge that we're gonna fail and, you know, humiliate ourselves from time
to time. But I just am not shocked at all anymore. But what is it? The destruction of
whites? I don't know. I really don't know. But
tell me how that's not real. It is real. And what's so hilarious is they're like one of the reasons I started thinking
about this was I you know I hosted this TV show I still host a version of
something like that I guess and so in that process as you well know you get a
lot of numbers like you're an American so you're trained to make decisions based on the data have your perceptions
shaped by science you know all these like you know things you grew up with and so it's always like hey can you pull
the numbers for me on this like Who lives here? Do we know? This is such a big country and I've been all around it
and feel like I know it pretty well, but I don't really know it that well. No one knows America. It's like the CIA. No one
person in CIA knows what everybody is doing at CIA because it's compartmentalized. America, same thing. So, I would pull these numbers and like
I never was interested really in demographics. I'm still not that interested, but I would these numbers. It's like, holy [ __ ] this country is
changing fast. On the most basic level, who lives here? you know, like this this town was 90%
white, now it's 60% Hispanic, and that took 20 years. Has there ever been anything that moved that fast? Like,
human populations change very slowly. You do blood tests and the people who live 20 miles from Stonehenge and then
you do excavations at Stonehenge and you find that they're related, you know? So, what do you what do you think? So,
but I would see this and I'd be like, "Wow, this country is really changing." And then I would see, but I still wasn't
like hyped up about it or anything, but I was like, "Wow, that's like kind of crazy. This is happening so fast." And then I would see people like Chuck
Schumer stand up and be like, "The one thing you're not allowed to say is that the great replacement theory is real. You're an anti-semite."
And my first thought is, what what are the anti-semite? What does that have to do with it? I guess I'm too literal or slow or something. And I'm like, it has
nothing to do with Jews. It's not anti-Semitic, but like how is that a conspiracy theory? That's here are the numbers, dude. And there's you on the
floor of the Senate saying, "I can't wait till this country's minority white."
Okay. So, you're telling me you can't wait for something to happen. And when I say, "What are you talking about?" You
scream at me and call me a bigot and tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist for noticing what you just bragged
about. You don't have to be a genius, and I'm definitely not a genius, to say, "What the hell was that?"
And that's when I and then of course I travel so in Australia and like my gosh New Zealand or Canada
what is and again I to answer your question in one sense I don't know exactly
but this is the biggest thing just biggest fact biggest change to happen to
global population ever in recorded history that we know of
and nobody mentions it because they're too intimidated that they'll be like called David Duke or something.
So, I mean, what you're saying basically is the white race is destroying itself from the inside, just like the country
is destroying itself from the inside. There's no I mean, look, again, I hope I'm being honest about my lack of
understanding. I don't understand the full outlines of this, but you What does it look like if the white race
is, you know, destroyed? I don't know. Why would you ever want to destroy any race
on purpose? Um, I mean, we had, you know, Europeans
in the United States had a lot to do with the destruction of the American Indian. It wasn't all intentional. Disease played the primary role, but
there was also like a sense that we can't have the whole continent if people
are still occupying it. we got to move them and keep them from roaming around and pen
them up in Oklahoma or whatever. And that was intentional and what was not all intentional. Again, disease played
the primary role. But there was intent there. And why did my ancestors do that,
Europeans do that? Because they wanted the continent and there were people there. And that story is pretty
familiar. Like that's the story of the Mongols sweeping across the step. That's a story of the Normans showing up in
England. That's a story of every invasion and rape and you know that's a story. Replace your genetics with mine.
Rape your wife. My Viking ancestors participated in that. Sorry.
Okay. So, we know that that's just like a feature of history because it's a feature of human nature. Is that what this is? I don't know. But it's never
been more effective than what's happening now. And it's, as far as I know, never happened with the active
enthusiastic complicity of the people being replaced. I've never seen anything like that. It's incredible. I guess I
shouldn't be surprised because people do commit suicide and they are convinced
that they have to kill themselves. But the pure hate it shows is what still
stuns me. How could leaders hate their own people so much? And as a father, I
don't understand that. And I'm really bothered by that. If you have people in
your care, your only real job is to love them. And we can argue about what love looks like
and how it manifests itself, but you can't hate them. You cannot hate them.
And our leaders have hated us with homicidal hatred. Homicidal hatred. It's
not just I want to get rich and like, you know, steal all your [ __ ] It's like, no, I
want you to die. And they couldn't have been clearer about it. I don't know how I didn't see
it, but the results make it irrefutable. Irrefutable. The country I grew up and I
was born in 19 May of 1969. Tell me the differences between America
in May of ' 69, months before we landed on the moon or whatever, and now and the
main difference is a completely different group of people live here. What happened to the old people? How did that happen? It was intentional. Of
course it was. They said it out loud. The president of the United States. And I can't wait to listen. He's just like,
again, going back to the first part of this conversation. How is it that you see things right in front of you and yet
don't see them? I don't know. It's a spell, but I want to break free from it.
Do you ever feel that in your life? Like something's just right there and you couldn't see it? Oh yeah, all the time.
All the time. And then I get pissed at myself. Of course. Me, too. Or just bewildered.
Like, gosh, I flatter myself. I'm such a keen observer. Really?
I mean, you know, you you say that these the politicians hate us. I I believe
you. I think the same thing. I don't think any of them can't say any of them.
We talked about Eli Crane earlier for sure. Oh, I know. Saw you had Tim Burchett on. I like him
too. Good time. I love I love a couple
of them. I don't want to wreck their lives by telling you who they are, but there are a couple I talk to and and love and think are really decent people
caught in a maelstrom caught, you know, though. I mean,
I thought about running in 2020 or not 2020, uh, last election
and and like I really thought about it. I was like, "Fuck, man. I'm here. I Yeah, I thought I thought about
running for Congress or I didn't even I was just like, "Somebody's got to get involved." Yeah. You know, and I called the you know,
the two people that I just named that I the only [ __ ] people I trust in there. And um
I I called some other people, too. But the general consensus was like, you're not
you're not going to have any impact. No, they know they don't have any [ __ ]
back and they're so frustrated and unhappy. So unhappy. So unhappy.
No, it's a it's a night it's a nightmare. I I've known pe people at all positions of all positions of leadership
and the best ones are the most frustrated. They leave. They leave. They
leave. Yeah. They leave or they're make accommodations that destroy them. The
real battle's within us, right? So don't be destroyed. Don't don't make the
trade. Power for your integrity. Never do that. It's never worth it. I
know people who've done that. I know people That's the trap that we were talking about earlier. Well, it's the right fall down. Worship
me and all this will be yours. I mean, that's the bargain. That's the bargain. And every person
faces that. Every person faces that. Usually a lot. And but and I know a
million people who've taken the deal and I know a few of them really well like intimately well and I know it sounds
like moral and I've certainly done that a million times in my life. You make accommodations because you think it's worth it or whatever. You know, I'm not
being judgmental, but I know a couple people intimately well who've done it in a big way. You know, big accommodation,
big reward. All this will be yours. And I can say from firsthand knowledge that
that is not a good trade at all. And those people are tormented. They're in hell on earth. And I'm not guessing at
all about that. And uh it's it's really
sad. They're captives. They're absolutely captives. And you can tell who's free. You can feel
you feel bad for them. Oh my gosh. Yes. Why? They [ __ ] sold. They're living in hell. Because they're
c because they're in bondage. They sold you out. They sold your wife a million times.
Sold your wife out. They sold all your friends out. They sold the whole [ __ ] country. Oh, of course. And I
Why do you feel bad for them? Because imagine being that man. You know, the person you feel sorryest for
in the whole New Testament is is Peter. Jesus is like, you're going to you're going to bet Imagine. Okay. So, the
family that I grew up in, which was not, you know, conventional at all, but we had a very simple moral code in my
family. Very simple. The most simple it was the mafia code. You know, some things were discouraged
but allowed. You wind up banging your assistant. Don't do that. Bye. You know, some
things happen. You cheat on your taxes. Okay. Don't get caught. Betray people
you love who love you. That's it. That that is not acceptable in any way.
Betrayal of someone you love is the worst thing you could ever do. True betrayal, denial of a person you love.
And that was just beaten into us. I mean, we never even questioned that. That was the center of our family, that belief. He never you never betray. I
remember my father saying, you know, don't commit a triple murder, but if you ever do, like, call me, you know, we'll
get you to Bolivia, you know, or whatever. And um that was just like it couldn't have been clearer. So then you read the New Testament, it's like Jesus
like to Peter, his guy who loves him more than anyone loves him. And Jesus loves Peter most. And he's like, "You're
going to betray me three times." Betray you? Yes. And then Peter does it to a
girl. This little girl is like, "Don't you know him?" And Peter's like, "I never seen the guy before." And I
remember the first time I read that, I was like, "You are disgusting. You are dis you betrayed your friend."
Like I just in my mind, I think whenever I see someone do something bad, I'm like, "Yeah, I'm so glad I didn't do that." But I know my I could do
anything. I'm just being honest. Like I don't I don't trust myself. I would never betray someone I love. I've never done it. I never would do it. And then
you see that and you're just like, imagine living with that. Imagine
betraying somebody. I mean, I' I've been denounced this week by like 20 people
I've helped. And you sort of toggle like in a couple cases like really helped. And you toggle
back and forth in your head between being like outraged like how could you, you know, all the things I did for you.
I had you on my show. I helped you in your divorce or whatever it is. In the case of one guy, I sold your schllocky
books cuz I felt sorry for you and now you're calling me a Nazi. And you're like, I'm so mad.
And then really, I mean this, I'm not just saying it. I really ended up feeling like, oh, how'd you like to be
that guy? How would you like to be that guy? Like your wife knows your wife is she's never
going to enjoy sex with you again. You know, a woman can't respect a man like that.
Losing the respect of your wife. Oh man. It's f your wife's pissed at you that
you know whatever your wife doesn't respect you rather be dead. I mean that in my heart.
I mean that rather be dead because that a wife's respect for her husband is the
basis of a family. If you could distill it to one thing that makes a happy
family, happy children, it's a wife's respect for her husband. Period. Lots of
elements in the stew, but the stock, the base of it is a wife's respect for her
husband. Now, of course, it's not given, it's earned, but it's the basis of
everything. And if a man, you know, weakness is very hard for women to forgive. Real
weakness, not physical, you know, moral weakness, being a worm, man, they know.
They're like animals, so they know. And they don't lie to themselves. It's like a woman knows what a woman knows and you can't dissuade her from it cuz she can
smell it. She doesn't doubt her own instincts on anything. Woman's intuition is the realest thing there is. And the
number one thing they don't like and have every reason not to like is a man who is weak and she will not respect
that man and period. You can't make her actually can't really make women do anything. We we learn and which is
great. That's what I like about him. But that I was saying that that's what I like about him. Yeah, you
you have to you have to really lead if you want a woman to respect you, you know, you you have to be better. Actually, no one wants to hear that, but
it's just true. And you can't make them respect you. You can't beat them into respecting you. Shut up. Respect me. No,
it doesn't work that way. So, that's why that's why the relationship with men and women is so compelling. It's like the
movie that never ends. It's like a cliffhanger at every turn. It's like so complex and interesting and rewarding.
And it's like it's it's the main source of joy and fascination in in life, but
this one person I'm thinking of, I'm not going to name him, but specifically I literally was like a blown away that
this guy called me a Nazi. And then of course came career of calling me a Nazi. And then I was like, oh, at what cost to
you? I mean, in 3 months, no one remember. Why were they calling him a Nazi? He doesn't seem like a Nazi. No
one will care. No one ever cares about this stuff over time. We can't remember. You hear people's names and you're like, "Weren't you in some kind of sex scandal
10 years ago? No one can remember." But a man who loses who behaves that way
in a dishonorable, degraded way in front of his wife who betrays someone for advantage, like she'll never forget that
ever. And he has to live with that. And I don't have of all the sins I've committed, and there are many, I could write books about them. That's just not
one of them. I'm never going to do that. And um I'm not being pious or
self-righteous, but it's just true. And so I do feel sorry for people who've taken that deal. It is not worth it. And
the other thing that you have learned and that I've learned if you're ever successful in any way and all of a
sudden like the things that you wanted, you can have like, oh, I really want this thing. And then you get the thing
and it's like Christmas morning. The second you open the present, it's like ah kind of a let down. You know, the the best part of Christmas morning is before
you open the presents, what's beneath the wrapping? Holy [ __ ] I can't, you know, is it is it a bike? Like, you
don't know. And it's totally compelling. And the second, you know, it's a lot like an orgasm. It's like, oh man, I
worked hard to get here, but [Laughter] it's like, it's why the French call it
leimar, you know, the little death, cuz it's a letown. And everything in life is
that. Um, everything material is that. And so you get this thing that you
thought you wanted, whether it's the new bike or control over a nation or agilation or vindication or billions of
dollars and you then you sit there alone in your living room and you're like, h kind of wasn't what I thought it was
going to be. That is true. And the one good thing about being successful is you learn that, you know, that's like the
first thing you learn. This this is what I got. People kissing my ass or a summer house or it's like, okay, I mean it's
not against any of that. That's, you know, great to be respected, great to have somewhere around, but like it's not worth having your wife not respect you.
Nothing is worth that ever. Everyone used to know that people like happily go die,
you know, to win the respect of their wives. And they should. They should. It's worth it.
Why did you decide to have Nick Fentes on? I thought you guys Well, I hated Nick Fuentes and he
Well, going back to what I was just saying, he criticized my dad. Also criticized my wife and my son, but um
I don't know much about him. Well, I was super pissed at him and he's 27 and he criticized my dad.
Why was Why were you pissed at him? Because he criticized you. Not allowed to criticize my dad. I'm his oldest son. That's those are just the rules. Can't can't stand that.
My father was a flawed man. What did he But a great man. Oh, CIA guy and he did
all this bad [ __ ] and he was involved in Iran Contra and some of it was true, you know, sort
of true or semi-true enough, I guess. So, that made it worse, made me mad or whatever he said about my dad, but I
just my father just died and I was like, I can't I I'm that just drives me absolutely insane. So, and I feel an
obligation to be mad about it because it's my dad. Those are the rules. So, I attacked him. And then I called him and
I was like, "Look, I don't know you, but I want you to know why." I always want to tell people why I don't like them,
and I want to do it right to their face. And I I always call people and just say, "I'm going to attack you, or I did
attack you, and I want you to hear why from me." I just did that yesterday to somebody.
Anyway, I always do that. And so, I called Nick Fuentes and I said, "I want you to know why I attacked you. who
attacked you because you criticized my father and I just never going to accept
that. My father was a great man and flawed but a great man like a literally a great man and I'm never going to
accept that. And he to his credit was like I get that. I get that. So, but I
still didn't like him. Not friends with him now. But I because of that
I got a lot of input from people like I don't know that much about Nick Fuentes. I'm 56. I don't I don't like the
internet, so I don't really know that much. I've seen clips. He's very talented. I know that, but I'm not an
expert on that at all. And I got calls from a lot of people, including some
very influential people who know a lot about Nick Fuentes, and they're like, "This kid is the single most influential
figure among young white men." And not just white, actually. Is that true? Oh, it's definitely true. I mean, it was
true last month. I don't know if it's true now. I mean, everything changes. Who knows? But that was definitely my
impression and I think it's right. And in the subsequent weeks, I've asked a million different people. Nick Fuentes
and like yes, he's extremely influential among young men. Wow. How young what age?
20s, teens and 20s, college students, high school students, college students, just out of college can't find a job.
They can't find jobs. Right. A lot of this, by the way, a lot of the frustration is e economic, which no one
wants to talk about or seems invited to talk about. But it's not about the Jews.
It's about the economy and it's about the betrayal that young men feel when they go through all these
hoops and get all these stupid degrees and find out they're worth nothing and they're in $300,000 in debt and like I did what you told me to do and I'm
[ __ ] so I'm mad at you and why wouldn't they be? They have every right to be. That's my personal opinion, but
it's just true. Anyway, and a lot of those men watch Nick Fuentes. So I was like Nick Fuentes is one of
those figures that everybody like Putin. That's why I interviewed Putin. Everyone talks about this person but
nobody I believe one of my missions this is not everyone's mission just happens to be mine at this stage of my life is I
want to hear what people think and I want to give people a chance to speak for themselves because I think every
person from Idiamin to Mother Teresa has an inherent right to tell their own
story and you can disagree with the story and you can doubt the story and you can do whatever you want but to say
they don't have a right to tell their story I just reject that. I disagree. I disagree. And I feel like that's not my
only mission in life, but that's one of my beliefs. And I've done what I can
with my limited attention and means to like give people a place to tell their story. Why Why should
people on the internet have a right to define anybody with two-minute clips and
that person doesn't have a right to tell his own story? I just reject that. I don't care. I reject that. Whether it's
Hillary Clinton or Nick Fuentes or anyone in between, people have a right to say what they
think. And if you want to watch it, don't. So, I just believe that and I'll never stop believing that. And if they don't
have that right, what you're really saying is other people have a right to speak for someone else.
And they don't. They don't. Because we're all created by God and we all have the right to say what we think.
So, I believe that. So I was like, "Yeah, if I have Nick Fuentes on, obviously the probably some people will criticize me just as they did with
Putin. You know, you love Nick Fuentes. You agree with everything he says." No.
I've interviewed war criminals in Liberia. I've interviewed cannibals. I kind of liked them. Just being honest. I
kind of like everybody I interview. Break bread together. Me and the cannibals.
No. And by the way, I This was in Africa. And I did not lecture them about cannibalism, which I'm totally opposed
to. But anyway, so I did and and it was really interesting and I I I try not to
lecture people just in general because I don't think it's I don't like being lectured at all and I don't think
most people do. And I think the purpose of lecturing people usually is self- aggrandizing.
The point of lecturing, you know, Sean Ryan, you're a bad person unlike me. I'm a great person.
I don't have the need to convince people I'm a great person at all. I just don't feel that need. They can decide for
themselves. And I feel like that's a really dishonest way to interview
people. You're using them as a man uses a prostitute for his own pleasure. So,
I'm using you to make a statement about myself. I'm not doing that. I don't need to do it. I don't want to do it. And I'm
not doing it. So, I'm not going to lecture Putin about his war crimes. You can read about Putin all you want. I want to hear what Putin says. And I took
that exact same approach with D Fuentes and I knew there would be, you know, an outcry or whatever. Probably understated
it a little bit. Um, but you know, not up to me, but my conscience is clear.
One of the only parts that kind of bothered me, but now it amuses me is
there was a point in the interview where Nick Fuentes said really out of nowhere, I love Stalin.
It's like Joseph Stalin. And he's like, "Yeah, I love Stalin." I mean, this was not relevant to what we were talking
about at all. It just it was out of out of the blue. So, I said, "Had to get it in there, huh?" I guess he had like a need to tell me he
loves Stalin. So, I made a snap decision. I said something like, "I don't know what you're talking about. We'll get back to that." And then, of
course, I got completely sidetracked and forgotten. Didn't get back to it. And I was criticized. Didn't get back to it. That's fair. I guess my instinct really
was he's just saying that he probably doesn't know much about Stalin. Actually, do know a lot about Stalin.
It's like the only thing I studied in college and I'm interested in the topic. Maybe he doesn't know a lot about I
don't know but I do actually and I have a lot of thoughts on Stalin. It's a very interesting topic and um
people flipped out about that and accused me of loving Stalin. And what I found now find amusing about that is
those exact same people were also getting mad at me for questioning the
course of the Second World War and the conclusions that were drawing from it. My main problem with America's involvement in the Second World War was
the fact that we sided with Stalin and armed Stalin and made it possible for Stalin to fight that war through a
program called Len lease which was passed I think in the fall of 1941 with a unanimous vote among Democrats in the
Congress. And Stalin was the greatest murderer in
history by some counts. Stalin Mau, you know, pick one. But Stalin has a good has a right to be called that and was
definitely unchallenged the most prolific murderer of Christians in history. Genocider of
Christians of Christians and murderer of priests and a destroyer of churches and like a true enemy of Christianity.
killed tens of millions of Christians and the US government sent him billions and billions adjusted for inflation, but
billions of dollars in cash and clothing and war material and you know airplanes
and tanks and jeeps. I mean, we armed the Red Army. We armed Stalin. Too much
people say, "Well, are you for Hitler?" No, I'm totally opposed to Hitler, but I'm never going to accept arming Stalin.
I'm just not. Why would I? And these same pe same people were like, "Well, you had to choose." Well, no. How about
let's start here. We're not arming Stalin. We're also not going to arm Hitler. Why would we do that? You lose all moral authority. You're sending
billions to Joseph Stalin of the Ukrainian famine and the purge trials
and and all the rest. I don't take you seriously if you arm Stalin. Why would I? It was those exact
same people who jumped my [ __ ] for being pro Skullin in this interview with Nick
Fuentes. And I'm like, I don't take you seriously. I'm starting to think you'll say anything to get me
to be quiet. And that just made me laugh to myself. I had no one to talk to about this, of
course, but I was amused by it. No, I'm very anti-Stalin. That's actually one of the reasons I met at Churchill because
he was closely allied with Stalin. I'm mad at Roosevelt for the same reason. I'm sad about my country's
involvement in a war where we sided with Stalin. And I'm bewildered that no one
will say that and that anyone who does say that is like anti-American. My family's been here for like 400 years.
I'm hardly anti-American. I couldn't be more pro-America. And I'm pro America because in general, we don't arm Stalin.
And I don't think we should ever arm Stalin again or back al-Qaeda or have the al-Qaeda guy to the White House like
the other I'm just not for that. So, I guess long story short, I have
concluded through much experience that some of the people screaming at me don't have the moral authority to get my
attention. Good. Fair. Good for you.
What did you learn from that interview? I learned that um
he's popular for the same reason most people are popular in unmediated media
because he's got a really compelling message which is like 90% true or pretty true.
What is his message? His message is we've been betrayed by the people who thought
were on our side. We thought these people were for us. They actually sold us out. Well, that's certainly true.
Israel has way too much influence over our Congress. Obvious like 95% of
members of Congress take money from a foreign lobby, Apac. Like, how is that defensible? You can, by the way, you
could be for Israel, but still be like, what is that? Why is that allowed?
Um, are there bigger lobbying firms than Well, there are a million lobbies and not all of them have organizations. You
know, I I don't think Israel is America's biggest problem. I've never thought that.
But it's certainly America's most insulting problem. It's so insulting to be ordered around by a country of 9
million people when you're the United States. Like what? It's a totally irrelevant country. It's only relevance
is we promised to protect them. Therefore, we're like involved in all this crap. You fought some of the wars.
But if you take that out and you're just like, hey, you know, good luck. You're great. Wish you well. Can't wait to go
to Jerusalem next summer on vacation, which I have done and hope to do again. But if we've imbued the country with all
the significance that is not there are no resources it's the size of Maryland it's got 9 million people like this is a
big world very complicated and somehow our Congress and successive white houses have decided that the only thing that
matters is this tiny irrelevant country it's not an attack on the country I do
wish Israel well I always have and I still do but I am pretty offended by that
behavior because they're supposed to be representing me and my fentanyl addicted neighbors and they're not and they don't care at all about Americans, our
leadership. Not attacking Israel. I'm talking about our leadership. So that's a totally fair position and that is
basically his position or that's he's describing the frustration that normal people feel when they see that and I'm good for him. The Jew hate stuff I'm
totally opposed to on every level, moral and practical. And I told him that
whatever. So, I'm not going to whine about how people are misrepresenting my views because that's who they are. But I
personally think big picture, it's always good to get clarity about what people really believe, about what they
really care about. We should know. We should know. And maybe you're more for them or more against them, but
like it's the lying that bothers me. So, I'd much rather have people just be totally straightforward about what their
goals are. I'd love to see what's really in your heart. And I think we're seeing
that much more than we did last month. And so for that reason, I'm glad we had
the conversation despite the fact, you know, they're attacking my family. Like for real attacking my family, like
for real. But we'll be fine. A pretty pretty strong family. So I feel okay
about that. And uh I feel bad for anyone around me who's been hurt by it. It
certainly wasn't my intent. But I do think there's been a real upside which is clarity. It's better.
Like by the way the dumbness of these people that's the other thing that you know what I really learned is how dumb
one of the reasons that the status quo was bad was because a lot of decisions
were being made in in true secrecy. Like not only you did you not know who made
the decision, you couldn't know why and you were discouraged from talking about unformed policy questions. You just
couldn't know. Shut up. Shut up, Nazi. Okay. The debate that we've had over the last
month has risen to the surface a lot of things that were subterranean and and as
I said, I think that's good. But one of the things we've learned is that the people who are really kind of running America's foreign policy with Lindsey
Graham or whomever, these people are not geniuses at all. Like they're dumb. They're dumb.
They're just mediocre. Jeffrey Epstein is my favorite example because Jeffrey Epstein lived his life basically in the
shadows. Like you couldn't really know where the money you still don't know where the money came from or like what's the goal of this? What is this? You you
can't know because it's all secret classified national security. You start to assume that Jeffrey Epstein
is this like spengali and he's like he's a genius and he's controlling everything
and then you read his emails. He's like a [ __ ] [ __ ] from Staten Island who can barely speak English.
She's like dumb. He has no He's totally impressed by Harvard. He went to Cooper Union. He's impressed
by Harvard cuz the brand name impresses him. It's like wearing a polo shirt with a horse on it. He thinks that's cool.
He's totally unsophisticated, actually. And not smart at all. He's crafty. He's
got high canine animal intelligence, but he's not a genius at all. He's a dummy.
He's a thug. And that has been like kind of amazing to see. His only real advantage is that
he's evil. He'll do anything. He's got just no limits at all. Like you need to kill someone. We'll do that. If we have
to, we'll do that. And that person, the unscrupulous person does have an advantage because he's
there no boundaries, right? So if your goal is to get rich or powerful, you can get there faster if you'll do anything
to get there. Doesn't end well ever. Didn't end well with him. But that's really what I learned
is that the people who are mad at me,
call me names because that's literally all they can do. Shut up. You can't speak at that
event. We don't want you on stage. We're deplatforming you. Okay. I don't I don't
care really. But like who's saying that to you? Oh yeah. I mean every I mean no I mean what am I I don't even want to go through I don't
want to make it about me cuz I'm certainly not oppressed and you haven't impressed my spirit. You could
[ __ ] shoot me. You're not going to impress my spirit. It's just I mean I'm just asking because I I still see you all over the place. I saw you.
Of course. But I guess all I think you were just with Megan Kelly
and her tour and Megan Kelly is a tough woman man. She's for real
and I I mean she's more for real than people know. I'm not saying she agrees with me on everything. She doesn't. And by the way, she doesn't agree with you.
She's like, "I don't agree with you." You know, she's like that tough. She'll just tell you. But she is You can't make
Megan Kelly take a position. You just You just can't just won't. Megan Kelly just absolutely will not. If she If she
agrees, of course, she'll agree. But if she doesn't agree, you're not going to scare her into agreeing. There aren't a ton of people like that.
There are some. They're all my friends. Even if I disagree with them, I just love people like that, and I want to be
around them. She's one of them. No, but what's interesting is not that they've likely
inconvenienced me. They haven't. It's that they've revealed who they are. So like once you They did this with
Fuentes. This is the thing I learned is that Fuentes I didn't know. I didn't know much about him to be honest. Just
too old for this [ __ ] I just It's not my generation. So I just didn't know. But Nick Fuentes first became known
freshman year of college, like first month of college. He's a student at BEu
and he puts something on the internet, Twitter or something and basically like why does Israel control our Congress?
Something like that. He's a college freshman and Ben Shapiro sitting at like
command center somewhere. It's like what? A college student who's not on board with the program? Destroy him. And
Ben Shapiro tries to quote cancel this kid. He's a [ __ ] college student. He's a freshman from Chicago.
rather than just call the guy and be like, "Hey, actually, I saw what you said. I don't like it, but there are
reasons that we're allied with Israel and like it really helps us or whatever. Make your case, whatever your case is."
His first instinct was this man must be destroyed. He can never have a job in Khan, Inc. some, you know, no one can
hire him. And how'd that work for you, Ben Shapiro? Well, of course, it didn't work at all. Nick Fuentes is way bigger
than Ben Shapiro has ever been. Way more influential than Ben Shapiro has ever been. You can't cancel an idea.
It It just does not work. It Let's kill Jesus. Okay, how'd that work? World's biggest religion just doesn't work. And
any wise person knows that. So the only way liberals used to say this, they don't believe it apparently anymore, but
the only way to stop bad ideas is by countering them with good ideas. You
want to defeat lies, tell the truth. It's literally that simple. And as if I
needed to be reminded of that, the last month I don't think a single person has ever made the case that I'm wrong, that
Nick Fuentes is the Jew hatred stuff is wrong. Period. And I said that the white
hatred, black hatred, Jew hatred, Malaysian hatred, Bedawin hatred, it's all wrong. I believe that as much as I
believe anything. Okay. But the rest of it, his analysis, which is actually
smart and in a lot of cases true, no one's even attempted to rebut it. 95% or
whatever the number is, if members of Congress take Apac money, how was that good? Shut up, Nazi.
So, if that's your only defense, you've lost. You've lost. You didn't
even enter the game. We're playing different games. I'm trying to tell the truth, convince people that what I think
is true is actually true. and you're trying to make me be quiet because you don't like it. You can shoot me or you
can shoot everybody, but it won't doesn't go away because the truth is an
immovable object. It just exists and you conform to it or you don't, but it doesn't change cuz it's nature. Why do
you think you got so much [ __ ] for having him on? He's been on other stuff. He's been on Well, I got [ __ ] precisely because
I'm not an anti-semite. That's That was the whole point. I mean, if David Duke or whatever, pick an anti I don't know
even know there are many. I'm sure there are famous anti-semmites. I can't think of one, but David Duke is a famous anti-semite. If David Duke interviewed
Nick Fuentes, they'd be like, you know, they wouldn't say anything, whatever. Who cares? They're talking to each other. But if someone who is openly
opposed and sincerely opposed to hating people on the basis of their bloodline, which I definitely am, interviews Nick
Fuentes and is like, "Hey, Nick Fuentes, stop with the Jew hatred, but let's talk about your views on the betrayal of
Republican voters by conservative institutions and the undue influence a foreign country has over our government.
Those are entirely reasonable conversations and they're scary because they are reasonable.
They're very difficult to refute. You have to like what is what's the counterargument? The country should be
controlled by a country of 9 million people. Like what are you even saying? No one agrees with that.
So if a reasonable person says it, that is an actual threat. And they were like,
well, must destroy him and his son and his brother. And it's like, I'm not
afraid of you, man. I'm just not. And not because I'm so tough or brave or
whatever, but because why would I be? You you call me names and I'm going to I
I you're not telling the truth and you know you're not. You know, you start saying things about me that are true
that I'm trying to hide, whatever those might be. You know, I I'll get in fetal position,
hide in the corner. But you throw lies at me. I'm totally unintimidated.
And anyone who believes that, I'm sorry. I'll just say it again. Here's the truth. Don't believe I can't control that.
So, yeah, that's why they don't like me. Not because I'm extraordinarily brave. I'm not. Definitely not cuz I'm extraordinarily smart. I'm not.
But because they don't have an actual argument, so all they can do is destroy. And I think
they've they've reached kind of the limit. Like, what's the next stage? That does concern me.
um not that much really, but we're moving into a new time for sure now
after the last month and there are a number of fairly influential people on
the right who've just basically said out loud, I'm for censorship and identity politics.
We just had an election a year ago this month in which Republicans won because they were opposed to, let's say it,
censorship and identity politics. And then their voters find out that the a lot of the leaders of the party are totally for censorship and identity
politics. How does this continue? Well, I'm out. I mean, I know that, but so are
a lot of other people. Like, I'm not would never vote. I don't care what you call yourself. If you're for censorship
and identity politics, two things that I truly on principle as a Christian oppose. I'm not voting for you. Period.
Ever. So, that's like a big big change. Like the veil is dropped. We We can see like
you're walking back from the shower and your towel slipped and I I saw what you
look like naked. I can't unsee that. Right. Has that ever happened to you?
Mhm. You see what someone looks like naked and you're like, I want this out of my head. I don't want to know.
I saw your appendix scar. You know, it's like, oh man.
Right. So, I don't I mean, I don't know. I never know anything that's coming, you
know? I can't You can't It's always something different from what you thought. But as of right now, I think
it's like November probably. It's before Thanksgiving right now.
I know for certain that we're in for big big big big changes because just like
fighting with your wife and you say something awful but true, things are never the same.
What what what what is it about him that that that What are what is the what is Gen Z or
what is the younger generation I mean what are the what's the draw what's the draw to well he's unusually articulate
self-confident clear he's a clear talker I don't agree I mean he's 27 so
you know not to be arrogant and be like young man you don't know but you know hanging around a long time gives you I
think a fuller perspective and he hasn't so like there are things I disagree with conclusions he draws that I think are
not true. But in general, the guy is highly articulate, totally fearless,
doesn't care at all. That's always a draw. Like the man who just doesn't care. He's just going to say it.
Mhm. Always has a big audience because people are attracted to strength. Period. Every
time. What's strength? It's fearlessness. I'm not afraid. And that's how, you know, that's how the
Vikings pick their leaders. Who's the least afraid? Of course, human beings are like that. They'll never stop being like that. So
only in the only in our world are there other do you put like terrified menopausal women in
charge. Normal studies don't do that. This we're not going to do that in 20 years. But Nick Fuentes is just a
reminder that people follow fearlessness because they read it as strength. We should not be surprised. Why are they
open to it? Why are they not watching the approved? Why are they not watching Fox News and
some Sean Hannity? What does Sean Hannity think? They really don't know who Sean Hannity is. Why? Why are they open to this? Well, changing technology
is one of the things, one of the reasons. They don't watch TV. They don't have cable subs.
But the main reason is because they've been completely betrayed. Nick Fuentes is absolutely right. They've been screwed. They can't find jobs. The
average age of a first-time home buyer in the United States is almost 40. 40 years old.
It's a disaster. That's like collapse. And they've been blamed for it. People have been hating on them their whole
lives for being white and being male. Toxic masculinity and white racism are
the twin perils we face. Those that's passive aggression. That's hate posing
as concern. If you tell white men that the biggest problems are toxic masculinity and white racism, what
you're really saying is you're the biggest problem. We hate you. And everything our leaders
have done has proven that they hate young white men. Everything from the
drugs they prescribe to the fake conditions like ADHD that they make up out of thin air in order to anesthetize
boys. Everything about it, it is an organized conspiracy, conscious or not, it's
effectively a conspiracy. I don't need to know whether you planned it to know it was a conspiracy. You did this and you achieved this result. That's all I
need to know. And they did it. And young men know it. They know it. And why
wouldn't they be mad? I'm mad just thinking about it. And I'm for I'm 50. I don't how [ __ ] old I am. I'm 56. So
I'm like I'm 30 years older than Nick Fuentes. And I because
I care about America and care about people in general and hate to see mistreatment and cruelty of the weak.
I'm outraged by that just on principle. I hate that. It's exactly what I hate. Pissing on weak people. It's why I hated
using fire hoses on protesters in Birmingham in 1956. is why I hate the toxic masculinity, white racism lie of
2021. I just it's all the same. And so I am sympathetic to that cuz it's
true. It's provably true. And so my feeling was I'm going to
immediately say I'm totally against Jew hatred. It's anti-Christian. And I said that. And he's like, you're right. Okay.
Now tell me what you think. Again, my conscience is clear. I'm glad
I did that interview. Have you guys spoken since then?
No. No. No. No. And I And he someone a reporter just
texted me from some New York Times or Politico
and said that he's starting a pack a political action committee in um in the next political cycle 2026
to hold politicians accountable. I I've never That's the first I've heard of it. I know nothing about it. I'm not
involved in politics on that level. But um and I don't know if that's good or
bad. But in general, I think it's very good, in fact, necessary to force leaders to do what
they say they're going to do. Otherwise, come on, dude. We're moving toward one of two end points. One is a totalitarian
society where you just don't have the option of disagreeing. have to obey because you got programmable digital
currency and universal surveillance and you just have to do what they say or they'll starve you to death. It's not going to work here.
I hope it I pray it doesn't or we're going to have a revolution. It's one of the two. We're getting totalitarian
government a revolution. It's going to work for a little bit and then it's not going to work again. I pray you're right.
I'm a gold buyer on that basis and ammo buyer. Again, I have no track record of
seeing the future, but I'm I'm convinced that the current course won't work
because it's a lie. If you tell people they own the government, they're in charge, they rule through the
representatives in this Democratic Republic, that's what we've told. That's our system has been for 250 years. If you tell them
that's the system and you don't deliver on it, they go crazy. They go totally crazy if you tell
them. And by the way, I've spent a lot of time in What do you think happens? Yeah. When a government takes everybody's
currency in a country that has more [ __ ] guns and ammunition than anywhere else in the entire world.
I mean, I'm, as I've said a million times, it works for a little bit and then when the desperation kicks in, that [ __ ]
doesn't [ __ ] work. Well, so that's exactly we're saying the same thing. It's we're moving toward totalitarianism or revolution, violent
revolution. If by the way, if you tell people they can't say what they think and their vote
doesn't matter, how many options have you left for them? Just one.
Very [ __ ] many. That's right. So, don't do that. Don't do that. It's much better to give a
little. And you do this with your kids, you know, especially when they become teenagers. You reach a point where it's like, hm, you can smell the defiance on
them. How do I handle this? Just punch them in the face? Cut them off? Starve them out? No.
You know, you listen. You make it clear that you're in charge. You'll be deciding, but you take their position
into consideration because you have to because they're becoming adults. You have to be a little flexible. No, you
can't smoke weed at the breakfast table. Like, there's something you will never accept, but you can't ignore every single signal
you're getting from your children. Well, your population's very similar. I'm getting really angry right now. Why?
I think we should go uh I think we should go out back and blow some [ __ ] Sorry. break.
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right, Tucker, we're back from the break. Nice shot, by the way.
But, uh, and we figured out how to run an excavator about You figured 50%. I was implying the back, you can't start
that without a key. And he did. But um Oh man, we're I
I know. It got pretty deep there. Well, I was musing as is my habit. And you
said, "This is so [ __ ] dark. I have to get out of here and shoot a firearm." That's where we were. The hair on the back of my neck was
starting to I just wanted to Yeah. I had I just wanted to restate. I feel totally cheerful
because once you see things in their full perspective, it's not scary. It's exactly what we were told. We just
didn't believe it. And now that we do believe it, it's great. It's fine, actually. Yeah, that's that's
I'm not there yet. But maybe one day. Oh, for sure.
Where do we go from here? So, well, it's always darkest before it's completely black, as you know.
Sorry, I'm stealing someone else's line, but I do like that line. Um, I don't know. I mean I clearly we're I
mean just in political terms we're at the end of something and the beginning of something new and no one wants
change. I don't but we're not in control and the current system clearly doesn't
match the moment at all. And so it's changing and it'll change along probably predictable lines but also in some
unpredictable ways. But um I'm for democracy. Most people
are not. The overlying majority of people don't want democracy. They just don't want it. They don't like it. It's
tedious and annoying and too imperfect and they want results and so we're
moving towards something that is not what we had before and you know I'm not
in favor of that. I wish we could return to 1985 but we can't. So
but you you have to just reduce the amount of lying like lying is bad. Lying is bad. It alienates you from other
people. It alienates our leaders from their people they lead. Everything about it is bad. There's no more. Let's just stop lying.
That'd be great. I don't know how the [ __ ] you're going to get anybody to stop lying by calling out the liars. But well, yeah.
You know, we were talking about impact earlier, and you know, one of the things that I I I want to chat with you about,
I don't know how to bring it up organically, so I'm just [ __ ] bringing it up. This is something that um it's just it's the most important
issue to me and that is sex trafficking, sex exploitation
and all that [ __ ] that is going on in this country and and um you know I I was
I think I was I can't remember if I was telling about telling you about my my really good friend Ryan Montgomery on
camera, off camera, whatever, but that you know I talked about all the impact that we thought we would have had that
we didn't [ __ ] do anything on. But that is one that is one that it's like
it seems to be the forbidden topic that everybody's [ __ ] scared to talk about. Legitimately scared to talk about
except for a few. And that that's you know the problem with sex trafficking and sex exploitation in this [ __ ]
country. And um as far as an impact, I think I think that is the biggest impact
that I've ever made and probably ever will make. Uh because you know what we
did with Ryan was I mean he he made it you hear about this stuff all the time right and and um yeah
it's hard to believe you know how prevalent it actually is and he proved it you know on the show we I had him
open his laptop and and I said just get in any I don't care what it is. I just want to see how long this takes. I'll
sit here for two days if I have to. 5 seconds and I had him screen record it so that we can prove it. And so I just
had him. Anyways, the impact that was made, I think I know for a fact we
scared the [ __ ] out of a lot of pedophiles. We educated a
ton of I mean the interview has 10 million views and then with the clips and everything else, it's hundreds of
millions of views. And we educated on parents on how how predators are
targeting their kids. We educated kids on how predators are targeting them and
and and so anyways, I think it was a it was a huge win and um uh for kids and uh
so I brought him back on last was it last week? He's releasing this week. Um
but he came on to talk about this satanic cult
764. Have you heard of this? No. Holy [ __ ] dude. Like
so this is this is an online cult and they hang out in
they hang out in you know online they hang out in this there's a game that all the kids are playing nowadays called rob
ro Roblox sounds like Roblox but people know what I'm talking about Roblox and
Minecraft and they're [ __ ] everywhere they're on Xbox they're on PlayStation they're on computer games they're on
chat rooms they're on social media they're on everything and what they do is they they target primarily young
women, you know, teenage women and below, girls, and you know, they they
might, you know, have them do something for um Louis sexually exploit them for a
[ __ ] Louis Vuitton purse or something like that. And then, you know, then they have the photos and then they they they
keep in touch and they call them back with these groups of people with the photos and say they're going to release this and they're having these girls
carve [ __ ] into their arms with razor blades.
They've had people they have gone so far now and this is this is spreading like wildfire. They had one girl swallow the
razor blades after she carved [ __ ] into her flesh and they had another girl kill
herself. And you know that that that's what I want to go after now is
because that that's that's a there's an impact that you can have where you don't have to have to wait on some
political prostitute to introduce a [ __ ] bill into Congress or or the Senate and you're actually going to save
somebody's [ __ ] life or save somebody from being sexually exploited or trafficked or you know all of the above.
But but um man, that stuff's like it's just so
alarming and uh and so disgusting. And
are you tracking any of this [ __ ] Well, yeah. I mean, there's um I would just
Yeah. I' Yes. And I just had a an interview, which hasn't aired yet, um but with your friend John Rich about
this topic this week. Uh we went feeasant hunting together in South Dakota and did it there and um and
talked a lot about it for three days. I would just say two things. One, I
don't think and what you just told me confirms gives further evidence to what I believe
which is sex trafficking is not primarily about sex. It's about defiling
innocence. sexist hot girl, want to sleep with her. This is not that. This is and jaw
molestation and all these carving [ __ ] Having a girl carve [ __ ]
into her arm. What What's the benefit to you? Well, there's none.
What you're doing is defiling innocence. It's destroying beauty. It's making ugly
something pure. It's pissing on an image of God is actually what it is. So it's by its nature
demonic. That's what demonic is. So this is a spiritual phenomenon. I think that
I've always thought that like what is that? Is someone who likes sex and thinks women are beautiful and everything. What is this?
It's not about that. It's about destroying something innocent. So that
makes it the most evil thing that there is. And I couldn't agree with you more. I also think it's way more widespread even than you described. It's called
Only Fans. And I don't know why the guy who runs Only Fans is not in prison like right
now because he's a massive contributor to all kinds of different leftwing causes.
But so there's that. But you know, if you're turning like a huge percentage of
America's young women into prostitutes, you're a criminal. And punishing you and
stopping that is like top of our priority list because you can't degrade my country and turn my women into
prostitutes. Like it cannot be allowed. It's not. There's no human right that says you can pimp a nation's women,
young women. No. Take advantage of their misery and confusion and desperation and poverty to
turn them into prostitutes. That's like that's what an invading army does. So I I I'm of course I couldn't be more
opposed to all of it. Pornography, all of it. Like I'm violently opposed to it. I guess I would just My only concern is
that we imagine as self-described satanic cults. I'm actually way less
bothered by satanic cults than I am by Only Fans, which is also a satanic cult
because at least the official satanic cults call themselves what they are. It's like nice to have the opponent
identify himself, but like what does porn call itself? Adult entertainment? No. I mean, what
it's it's the same thing. And um and the point is the same. It's to destroy our
civilization. and it's working. So, and people because that's what a civilization is, is a
collection of people. So, yeah, I'm really upset about it and I think we should. And by the way, a lot of our
leaders and institutions take money from these groups, like the ones that are legitimate. They're not there's nothing
there's nothing more legitimate about Only Fans than there is about a satanic cult that lures girls online
into carving [ __ ] into their arms or swallowing razor blades. It's the same thing. Do do you know that we're the
number one consumer of kitty porn in the world? Why why why do you think that law
enforcement agencies and trafficking too if I'm if I remember correctly or the number one consumer?
Why do you think that I mean what what what is more precious than our
Well, they've got real criminals like people who march on the capital with pocket constitutions in their hands and stuff like the JC prisoners, you know,
they've got like white supremacy is a bigger problem. They don't care. Obviously, what who's
So, here's here's an example. Like I it's because everybody I talk to is trying to do something. I can't find
somebody that's not. I just had lunch very involved with my local sheriff. [ __ ] love him and what he's trying to
do. His name's Jeff Hughes. Was talking to him. We had a meeting yesterday about this with a lot of uh his deputies and
uh in a musician who's trying to um bring awareness to this this whole thing. and we were chatting and and I
was telling them about the 764 call which is you know gaining um it's it's you know it's it's getting a lot of exp
it's starting to get exposure and but they hadn't heard of it yet. So I'm educating him and he and he's and
and he started getting frustrated and you know I was like why why don't why don't you have more resources and he's
like See See See See See See See See See See I'm trying to get more [ __ ] resources. He he said,
"We live in the wealthiest county in [ __ ] Tennessee, one of the wealthiest counties in the country, and my [ __ ]
police officers are not even in the 75th percentile of what the [ __ ] they should be making." He said, "On top of that, I
can't get any of these county commissioners to approve funding so that I can pay my police officers what they
deserves what they deserve." What? And he he he he he he he can't get any
[ __ ] money to build a new a new sheriff's office to get the new tech
like that Sky Deo company that I'm talking to you that I was talking to you about earlier that we have one right here that patrols our [ __ ] property.
He can't he can't get them because he's [ __ ] commissioners and
and this is this is like every county in the country. Why? Why is nobody Why Why is
nobody allocating money to police? Well, because it's not at the top of the
priority list. I mean, if you think about like what's the point of having a civilization? Like, who's got the priority list?
Well, it's an employment agency. It's an Look, government at all levels is primarily designed to employ people
because that's where the votes are. I mean, I've seen this my whole life. And that's why we don't get reform is
because these agencies and services are existing not for the benefit of the people who pay for them, but for the
benefit of the people who are employed by them. I just want to say this is Williamson County, Tennessee,
and those [ __ ] commissioners are going to get labeled by name on this [ __ ] show if he doesn't get that
goddamn funding. So, well, this is how you change stuff. I [ __ ] hate these people. I [ __ ]
hate these people. Well, that's holy rage. I love that. But like what's the point of any of this?
It's to keep the Visigoths from raping your wife. It's to keep order. That's it. That's that's the whole reason that
like hunter gatherers banded together so they don't get eaten by the neighboring tribe or the sabertooth tiger or
whatever, right? That's that's the core function of any government is to protect
its citizens. Period. Always. Everywhere. Always. When did it stop? When did it stop? It
just got I mean just like things corrupt over time, you know, you see a ship get
launched and someone breaks champagne over the bow and it slides into the ocean and then in 20 years it's got a rusty hole and it's scuttled. I mean
it's just the nature of things. They age and they corrupt. Our bodies are the same way. So I don't again I don't think
we should be surprised but it just you constantly have to scrape the barnacles off and make it work toward its its
design its purpose of design. Like why do we have this? Well, it's to protect us first. Protect us first to enforce
the laws that we agreed on and passed by popular consent. And if you can't do that, then you're just not legitimate.
Then you're here for some other reason, mostly your own enrichment, and we're going to try to overthrow you. I think that's fair. I mean, what a dereliction
of duty. That's why only a private equity wife could support, only someone totally
insulated from reality, physical reality, could ever support defunding the police. Making the police better. Sure. of course, always defunding them.
Then what are we here for? To pay teachers pensions, their full dental. It's just insane. We've just gotten so
far from what, you know, the the core purpose of everything is that people are just at
sea. But can I say one thing again? I do think under pressure,
a lot of people greatly improve. They get clarity under pressure. It's kind of like when you're on vacation for too
long. If you've ever done the peanut colada for breakfast thing for a week, you just kind of lose track of like what
you're doing, right? But when you've got a job to do and you're getting up with the sun and like you're on it, there's
no question about what you're do your freaking job. Yeah. And that's just the nature of people. If
if they're not under some kind of stress, then they lose track of their purpose and you wind up not having
police. You know what I mean? I think. Isn't that right? Yeah. I ju
I just I just I just I just don't understand how this [ __ ] can keep getting swept under the rug over and
over and over and over because there's a lot of corruption, especially at the local level. I mean, you all think that everyone thinks the corruption's in Congress. Actually, no.
It's in the county supervisors, the code enforcement people. Like, that's the, you know, that's the kind of that that's
the corruption that affects your life. I lived in a corrupt city most of my life, Washington DC. And we just ended
up participating in it. And like if we ever needed something government, just bribe somebody. And DC was great because
there were there were no pretenses at all. No one ever lecture you about good government. They were just like, "Oh, okay." And you just get whatever you
want. You know, you just like live a normal life there if you paid for it. It wasn't even that expensive. You just had
to like pay the bribe. But places like this are not like that.
Like the corruption is way more subtle and hard to uproot. I think it's
developers. Well, it's always developers. And can I just say a word about that? Is there
anyone who makes your life worse than a developer? For a smaller benefit to a tinier group
of people, like who actually benefits from more dollar stores? The people who built the dollar stores.
That's who benefits. And I don't know why they get to like wreck our landscape and destroy our country, build shitty
buildings, make everything ugly, desecrate God's creation, and no one says anything about it. And then the Republican party, which is almost to the
point where it's just useless, and I'm going to have to oppose it cuz they're just I hate them too much. But because
they're such betrayers. But anyway, the Republic in the Republican party, it's like, "You a socialist? Are you from
Mandani?" No, not really a socialist. Just I don't want any more dollar stores. I don't want high density housing in my
neighborhood. I don't want any more [ __ ] strip malls that nobody goes to. No more karate studios and vape shops.
Like, how about no? Oh, you socialist. You don't believe in the free market because you bribed a
[ __ ] county commissioner to billboard garbage. You don't even live here.
Mhm. In a normal society, we'd like burn your strip mall down. So, you can't do that here. You can't turn my women into
prostitutes. Sorry, Only Fans. And you can't destroy the landscape that I live
in. No. How about no? That's not crazy, is it? No, it's not. I mean, no, it's not.
And you can't take all my tax dollars and then stop refuse to do anything about child molestation. Like, the whole
reason we you exist, county commissioners, is to protect my daughters from getting molested. But you
won't because like why? What do you think the Republican party
is going to turn into after this? I don't know. I mean, of course, you know, it's the party. Well, it's the party in power right now. It's an
amazing amount of power and amount of money, and there's a lot at stake. I mean, we shouldn't underestimate just
how powerful a political part is. You can be against political parties, but they run America. So, okay, there's
that. So, maybe you shouldn't ignore them. Maybe you should engage. I don't want to cuz I dislike them too much and I dislike the people. But I'm glad that
there are some people fighting for the soul of the party, whatever that means. Well, I know what it means. It means
restating out loud why we're here. And we're here to make the country better for the people who live in it. Not for a
foreign country, whatever that country is, and not for your donors, but for most people or everybody kind of try at
least a little bit. And that is the argument right now. Does the Republican party exist to help its
voters, every voter actually, every citizen, or does it exist for some other boutique corrupt reason like serving a
foreign government, serving your donors? And I just do think that's the argument. I think that's the argument that Trump started when he ran in 2015.
It was not about make America great again, which everyone is for. Who wouldn't be for that? It's about America
first, which is the idea behind MAGA. America first. Just put your country first. If you're its leader,
you don't have to put America first. You're just a citizen. But if you're running the country, you have a moral obligation to put its
citizens before all others. It's not a controversial idea. It's the only idea. But there are an awful lot of Republican
leaders. Every Republican voter pretty much agrees with that, but Republican leaders are, and not just elected
leaders, but though certainly them, but like the whole constellation of nonprofits and publications and we're
conservative and like, okay, you can call yourself whatever you want, but what are you what does that mean? And
now we're getting to the definitional part of the argument. What are you talking about? Make America great again. How what are your priorities? Shut up.
and they're screaming because they've been exposed as liars and everybody knows they're liars. And by the way,
that's the Fuentes. That's the actual Fuentes message. I'm not an expert of Fuentes, okay? I interviewed him. But
from what I could tell, he is angry because he feels that the conservative
establishment, you know, Ben Shapiro all the way up to some idiot Republican senator, all of
them are telling the same lie. We're on your side, but they're not. That is there's nothing more legitimate
than that. That is true. I would know. I've been involved for 40 years. I know
every single person that that's true. They're corrupt. They don't care that much or enough or at all about you
and they have an obligation to. So that's the debate underway. And everyone
on the other side would love to make it about why do you hate the Jews? Well, I don't hate the Jews. It's not about the Jews, whatever that is. It's about the
country. And so I'm fervently hoping that the
America First people win. I fervently hoping I think they will.
Have you ever been around Republican donors? Have I been around Republican donors? We probably never met a Republican
donor. Oh, I'm sure I have, but I don't know. I mean, they're not all bad. Some nice people.
But in general, if Trump voters knew who was paying for everything, they'd be like, "Wait, I
have nothing in common with you at all." And now I think they're starting to figure that out. Oh, it sure seems like that. I mean,
what do you what do you think? You know, the Jenzers are definitely not responding to
the traditional [ __ ] I mean you had mentioned that they're you know
that Nick Fentes is they are gravitating towards that then you got you know the other side meani you know just won mayor
of New York I mean what what in your mind what do you think
they're branches in 20 years now from now what does it look like I mean
look I does it look the same I feel weird speaking for people 30 years younger than me or more.
What do I know? But I have actually made an intensive longitudinal good faith effort to find out because I matter.
Plus, I've got a ton of kids in that age range. And my impression right now is
that of course they're enraged. Both sides are enraged by people serving
Israel. What? Stop with the Israel. Be quiet. Nobody cares about Israel. Just shut up about Israel. But I don't think
it's primarily about Israel. I really don't. I don't think it I don't think people care that much. I know I don't care at all about Israel. I really think
it's about economics. I really do. I think that's what Manni and Fuentes have in common. And there are a bunch of
people who want to pretend it's about ethnic hate or even about foreign policy. I don't believe that. I don't
think the evidence shows that. I think what they're really mad about is the lack of opportunity, economic opportunity that they know they're
facing. And then if you look at the debt loads, that's what I look at. Like how
in debt who how much debt does the average 30-year-old have and who does he owe it to?
And it's overwhelming. It's like unbelievable. I had 10 grand on a credit
card once. I mean, I literally couldn't sleep over it cuz that was weird, you know, 25 years ago. 10 grand. I just
didn't make enough money. I had to get another job. It was fine. But debt is a
huge debt is the problem for young people. And what's so infuriating and
alienating is that both parties are completely on
the side of the lenders and not the debtors. And in fact, it's a
symbiotic relationship. There is no borrowing without lending and vice
versa. They are engaged in this dance and ultimately one is basically
exploiting the other. That's just a fact and no one will acknowledge that. So the Democratic party is like, "Well,
everyone has too much student loan debt." Well, who's benefiting from student loan? Well, the student lend loan lenders are benefiting, of course,
but so are the colleges. They're being subsidized for like garbage. It's garbage, right? They're getting rich
from these student loans. The colleges are Mhm. and their administrators and
and then so are the lenders. But the Democrats like, "Well, so because of this, we're going to get rid of student loan debt, but taxpayers are going to
pay for it." Really? So, you spend your life trying to pay your kids college tuition.
It gets super expensive because the lenders and the colleges are getting rich and then you have to pay for other
people's co like what? And the Republicans are just like shut up. Pay your debts. It's your fault.
Which is partly true. You you acrew a lot of debt. You shouldn't have. On the other hand, it's not just you at fault.
So, here's the analogy that always occurs to me that I never hear anyone use, which is drug addiction. So you got
the drug addict and we disapprove of drug addiction. Of course we do. You [ __ ] drug addict. But ultimately we
don't punish the drug addict as harshly as we punish the person who sells him the drugs, do we? Who's worse, the
addict or the dealer? Obviously the dealer. Look at the penalties. Look at the moral outrage. We matter at Pablo
Escobar or some guy dying of a drug OD in Central Park. It's not even close. Pablo Escobar is the root of the
problem. He's the one getting rich from the addict's misery. Well, I have no idea why we don't assume
the same posture toward debt. Yeah, the kid shouldn't be, you know, 50 grand in
hawk to a credit card company, but what about the credit card company? They have no role in this. They sent this kid a
credit card offer in college when he's 23. They're letting him buy Door Dash on
credit, which is very common now. Buy now, pay later. That's debt. It's disguised. No interest, but there are
late fees. It's debt. And it's debt slavery and they're enslaved by it. But the slave master never gets blamed. Only
the slave. Tell me how that works. That is totally illegitimate. It's immoral
and it's on us as adults. I mean, I have no debt. That's rule one. No debt. I won't buy. I can't afford. I'm not
buying that. Not because I'm a virtuous person. Because I'm so afraid of debt. Because I know that it means no freedom.
I'm indebted. I'm literally indebted. I'm not free. And no one ever says that. Anyone who says it, it's like, "Shut up,
socialist." But even the socialists aren't saying it. That's what blows my freaking mind. That's when you know it is a real conspiracy. You talk to the
DSA kids. Oh, I'm so radical. I'm DSA. Whites are bad. I'm protrans. That's not
radical, dude. That's just [ __ ] stupid. You want to challenge power? Why don't you criticize the banks once in a
while? What? All they want to talk about is race and gender. Where's the real power? In white
supremacy when whites are dying off? It's not in white supremacy, son. It's at City Bank and JP Morgan. Do you
didn't know that? They themselves are tools of actual power, left and right.
The right is way off into a libertarian economic system. The free market, there isn't a free market in this country, period. Hasn't been in my lifetime for
sure. There definitely isn't now. It's a monopoly economy, obviously. And then the left is way up in all this
other garbage meant to divide the population against itself to keep them from challenging a actual power. And my
and I'm not for revolution, but we're going to get a revolution if we don't readjust a little bit soon. So I would
say let's hold lenders at least as accountable as we hold debtors because
that's fair and obvious. And in fact, I think lenders are way more capable than borrowers. And let's take a good look at
the interest rates. No society has ever allowed usery at the scale that we do. Oh, shut up. You can't talk about usery.
Why? Cuz you're benefiting from it. [ __ ] you. I'm not afraid of you. Like, are
you No. What's the top rate for a payday loan in the United States? I'll tell you. It's 600% annually. 600%. That's
legal. Yes. Holy [ __ ] And why don't we care? Cuz it's just black people. It's the ghetto or, you
know, it's poor people. It's not just black people. Of course, it's literally not. But that that in your mind you're like, "Oh, that's pathetic." A payday
loan. Okay, but that's a human being. That's a fellow citizen and we don't care at all. 600%
desperate human being. Why is that allowed? Why is it so hard to say how about no? The same reason you
can't make my daughter into a prostitute only fans cuz it's disgusting. And if we
can't say it's disgusting at the very least before we even say it's illegal, how about it's just bad? then we've lost
the most basic defense mechanism that allows any society to continue. You have
to be able to say no, that's too big a threat to us. No, Satanism is not the same as Christianity. You can't have a
Satanist, you know, crash in the state capital or whatever they call it, shrine to Satan.
We're not doing that because that's self-destruction. That's suicide disguised as freedom. So it anyway we
just lost the ability to recognize the true threats to ourselves and our children and our grandchildren and our
nation. And one of the greatest threats maybe I mean you could argue it but definitely one of the greatest threats is debt and people are getting rich from
debt. I know them personally and so do you. We call it finance. That's the name of it. Finance. What does finance means?
Loaning money to people at interest. There's a place for that. I don't think that it's inherently evil to loan money
to people. I've loaned money to a million people personally. I never get it back, but whatever. Anyway, the point
is it's not inherently evil, but the details matter. At what rate? Who are
you loaning it to? What are the terms there? There has to be some boundary or else it's just pure
exploitation of your fellow human beings, your fellow citizens. And rather than reign it in,
we celebrate the people who do it and we wind up with an the entire economy is based on what? Finance and real estate.
And neither one is a productive industry. One is loaning money at interest and the other is just reselling dirt.
Okay, that is not going to last. That's not And then tech, you know, I don't I complain about tech a lot. I don't, you
know, I'm worried about the implications of emerging technologies. You know, obviously I've talked about a lot, but
the idea of tech, building something new, creating something, of course, that's that's what we're supposed to do
as people make something new. So that's like inherently more legitimate. Real estate and finance are
components of a healthy economy. If you find that they are the economy, you're going to get what you deserve,
dude. And nobody is saying that. I don't know why. Well, I do know why because the real estate and finance lobbies are
way more powerful than the normal person lobby, which doesn't exist. But young
people, anyway, I'm far a field. The point is young people are being destroyed
economically and they have no opportunity. They're being disrespected and lectured and
given a whole pharmacopia of every kind of drug to keep them passive so they
don't ferment a revolution. So they stay in their little cages
which is sinister. It's lethal. It's homicidal actually. It kills the spirit at very least. But not just that, they
can't own anything. And the idea that you're going to roll out with a straight
face a 50-year mortgage, which is literally the opposite
of what we need. Who benefits from a 50-year mortgage? Well, the guy collecting 50 years of interest.
Who loses in that deal? The guy who doesn't own his house. He's a renter for 50 years. I don't know, man. I got I got
to I'm probably way off cuz everybody I respect thinks that that is a [ __ ] horrible idea.
50-year mortgage. I think it's a good idea. How? Because I don't know anybody that has
held on to their home for 30 years and paid it all down. I think that that that
let's county for example, real estate prices have gone through the [ __ ] roof. A lot of people can't afford to
live here anymore. I think that I think that you can build wealth through real
estate. I think you could do I think you could use the 50-year mortgage to get yourself in to a market that's
appreciating at a rapid pace, start to build your wealth, sell that, take the equity with you and and and build it
that way. There is no question you could do that. I I that's but that's just how I I
think. So, I think it's a good I think it's a good thing that 50-year mortgages are here because it gets it gets the
payment down. It gets people to be able to afford a home. Yeah. If they pay it for 50 years, they're going to lose
their [ __ ] ass. But if they play their cards right and they actually study, you know, and they if they play
their cards right, then they can get in, they can gain the equity. They'll gain a lot more equity in certain markets than
they will pay an interest, and then they can get the [ __ ] out and roll that into something else that's actually.
There's absolutely no question that people can
parlay credit into real money. There's no doubt about that. And I know a million people who've done it, and every
real estate investor does that. That's what they do. um and they're good at it. I would just
say two things that make me concerned, very concerned about it. One is
that's a very sophisticated game actually. It is um to be, you know, to
take leverage and turn it into actual wealth. Like you you got to know what you're doing. I'm it's beyond my reach
mentally. I'm not smart enough to do that. I'd be afraid to play with that. A B I think the value of a home is the
ownership of it. Like that's why it's better than renting. Mhm. Because of the psychological rewards and
because it reorients your thinking toward permanence and like I own a piece
of this. Like owning a piece of dirt is just psychologically a completely
different experience than not owning it. It vests you in the
country. You have something to defend. This is mine. It's not much, but I own it. You can't take it away from me, and
I will take a stand on its behalf. Okay? And I know in my own life, so I I don't
think I didn't own a home, actually own a home. I bought a house at like 24, 23,
24 because it was different world. Bought a super cheap house on credit with a mortgage. And I've owned houses
ever since then. So like a long time, over 35, 30, 35 years. But
I didn't actually own a house until I was like in my late 40s and I signed a new deal with Fox and I was like, I'm
going to pay off the mortgage. And I called my smartest friend who's like, that's so stupid. You know the tax
advantages in mortgage interest? And of course, I knew that because I had a mortgage my whole life. And I was like, I don't
care. So, you're going to lose $50,000 a year just by owning it. And I was like, so that means the system is set up to
penalize me for not being in debt. Mhm. I have to pay for the privilege of not being in debt to a bank. Who's
writing these laws? The banks. But I did it anyway because I'm a lunatic. And I'm
like, I don't care. All I care about is the psychological benefit. And the psychological benefit was so much more profound than I ever anticipated
to owning the house. Even though I still had steep property taxes. You don't own anything in this country because you always owe somebody something and if you
stop paying them, they take it away from you. So that's not actual ownership. But it was a lot closer to ownership.
And oh my gosh, I was just like I that's when I really went crazy when I owned it. I was like, "Come and take it,
[ __ ] I'd pay 50 grand just for the piece of mind." 100%. And not just the peace of mind, but like the the swelling of power. I
felt like this. And not even an impressive house really. But I was like, "This is my house. I don't take any I
don't pay anybody." Of course, I was paying frills in property taxes to the stupid corrupt DC government. So, it was
kind of a a fake. It was a facade, but it was still real to me.
I just feel like getting out of debt was the biggest psychological change that ever happened to me really.
It's like I'm my own man. I own my house. Maybe I I think small. Okay. That's why I'm not in business,
but it made a big different. It was It was That's when I started like
telling the truth so much they fired me. I paid off my mortgage. It's like, "Yeah, I have no mortgage. What are you
going to do about it? Fire me?" Yeah. I don't Yeah, I don't know. I just I
I don't think it's the best answer. The 50-year mortgage. I, you know, I would rather them just lower the [ __ ]
interest rates. But what if the bottom drops out, though, real estate markets? I mean, I think long-term real estate, I mean, obviously
that's all I do is, you know, I I like real estate, so I buy real estate. But, you know, it's
cyclical. So like there are times when you know what you it just happened to me
actually um on something but anyway in the last year uh yeah the
value goes down sometimes it's not just up. So like if you've got a 50-year note
like I don't know you could be more underwater than we already are. Definitely could be.
Yeah. I mean that's happened to me. didn't have to sell. But I mean, I've definitely owned houses where I owed
more than the house was worth. Not a great feeling.
You don't really feel like this is an ownership society when when you couldn't sell the house for the amount that you
owe on it. Yeah. Yeah. Feels precarious, though. I will say it does drive you to work
harder. That's for damn sure. Well, what do you got coming up, Tucker? I know we got we
got to wrap it up soon because you got a dinner that man I talked too much coming up I don't know
you know some kind of How's your new documentary meeting with Destiny? Uh
well we just did a documentary on Thomas Krooks which I thought was really really interesting and uh and very
unsatisfactory and the responses we got from the FBI. So I'm really concerned about the FBI. I'll just say that.
Very concerned. I I don't understand exactly what's going on, but I don't think anybody understands.
It's concerning and I know people who work there and I've spoke spoken to them and I'm not against them, but like what
is this and I can't get an answer. I feel way about a number of FBI investigations in progress. Like I don't
know what this is and I'm I'm definitely unsettled by it a lot.
I hope you know I hope I find out and hope everything's okay, but I'm worried
about that. Uh and we're we're doing it. We just commissioned another documentary. I had we did documentaries
at Fox. And so I worked with documentary guys who's who specialized in making
documentaries, one of whom lives here in Nashville who worked for me for years and we just hired him again to make
documentaries. So I know a lot of people in that world that made a million documentaries and I I love the form. I thought it was going away. I thought no
one would ever watch another documentary. Dude, are you serious? I know. I know. Well, what do I know? I mean, I'm not I've not been good at
calling changes in media. Like I'm I thought the podcast was like the dumbest thing I ever heard. I told Rogan to his face. I was like I did not think this
would work, dude. 4 hours of talking. Like who would watch that? The whole world.
So anyway, I personally thought that documentaries were a dying art. My father made a million documentaries. I
have them on film cans in my barn. So they've been around a long time and I
love making them and writing them and voicing them. And I just love the whole experience. So, we are doing we're doing
a ton of documentaries and we're doing a multi-part documentary on on the FBI and some
Is that the next one coming out? No. When's that? A bunch of different parts. I we just I mean I just commissioned it really
yesterday. So, it's going to be a good I think it's going to be good. We if not to brag but you I mean the documentaries
are the product of you know I decide what we're doing documentaries about obviously um I'm involved in
documentaries but if I'm being honest and the crooks thing I brought I got that material on crooks myself and
brought that to our guys but but really we have a couple people guy called
Charles Cougar Scooter Downey I mean these guys are like I could never do what they do they're so freaking good
It's incredible. And um Charlie Cougar especially is like one of the most talented people I've
ever who I've worked with for 10 years at least is one of the smartest people I've ever met. Way smarter than I am. So
it's such a thrill to watch that. Do you pick the subject, Matt? Yeah. Yeah, I pick of Yeah, of course I pick the subject. And I used to write
the documentaries like when I was at Fox, I always wrote the documentary. I'm a writer, so I wrote all the documentaries. But um he's so good that
the Crooks documentary which we just did and I voiced it. You know I do the voice over and sit in my barn. We have a
family library in our barn. I sit in the library and voice it and he brought it to me. We had talked a lot about it and
I brought him the material and then he followed up on it. But he basically did the whole thing and he wrote the whole
thing and it was like better than I could have done and I ad liibbed like eight words that I changed. But I mean,
I read it cold. That's how good he is. So, I just want to say that out loud. Man, this this guy I said kid, he's not
a kid anymore. He's a father. But, uh, it's just incredible to watch people. I
always thought he was smart obviously, but he's just become a true force. I
don't think his name is known by anybody. Probably doesn't want it known. I probably shouldn't have said his name, but he's an amazing person. So, and so
is Scooter Downey, this other guy. So, and a wonderful guy, too. So, uh, yeah, I'm super psyched. It's nice. I will say
one thing about getting older, the bad part's taking a leak in the middle of the night. But the good part is you end
up knowing who the good people are. Like, I've worked at every network. You show up at these networks and it's like you have all this big staff. You have no
idea who's honest, who's a liar, who's talented, who's not, who cares, who doesn't. Like, you just don't know
anything. And then after a while, over years and move from this place to that place, like you really identify some of
the most impressive people in the world. It's just absolutely crazy. Like the people we have working for us now, every
single person I would have stay at my house and most of them have and every single person I would trust with my
checking account. I mean there's every single person I believe every single person is a good person. It's just
incredible. I hope this moment for our for our company Z companies. I hope it
never changes because I just I love everyone and we've had so much drama over all these years and now we're at a
place where like everyone is great. Well, I'm happy for him, man. Oh, dude. It's the best.
Good for you. Good for you. Well, thank you for having me. Sorry I took so long. And thank you for your
guns. Can we just say one last thing as a 357 lever gun is the greatest gun ever.
I mean, probably not if you're fighting in Afghanistan. But if you're, you know, shooting steel or bowling pins in your
backyard, there is no more fun gun than a .357. I shoot 38 out of mine because I'm cheap. That is just the greatest
gun. No recoil, dead nuts, accurate, fun to shoot,
cheap ammo. It's real. It's not a 22. It's like a thump. Like everything about
it. Yeah. Do you agree with that? Oh, [ __ ] yeah. I love it. I love it. I love it.
Next time you come, love some fly rods and hopefully some fish in that damn pond. So, catch catch a largemouth on a fly rod.
And know if you think that fly fishing is like some faggi a feet sport with your little hatches and your number 18
midgetes. I love fly fishing. Oh, dude. Throw a popper across a farm pond and a large mouth hits it. Or even
better, a small mouth. It's like Yeah. Well, Tucker, thanks again, man.
It's always good to see you. the best. God bless. God bless. See,
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