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właściwie rolę w całej tej historii. Przeczytałem twoją książkę, ale Beman Grove było miejscem

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Czy wszyscy ci ludzie należący do tego klubu są członkami Rose, w jakiś sposób, czy po prostu

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tylko niektóre z nich to Bohemian Grove, który był politycznym placem zabaw

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Północna Kalifornia i nadal tam jest, niedaleko od klifu, gdzie znajduje się tzw.

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szczyt USA odbył się w Bohemian Grove, a ludzie spotkali się tam dwa razy

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poziomy, które według mojego zrozumienia były zwykle jednym poziomem

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członkostwo na drugim poziomie to elita, politycznie zamożni członkowie

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Grow, w którym uczestniczyli m.in. George Bush, Bill i Bob Bannett, a także Gerald Ford, żeby wymienić tylko kilku

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Ronald Reagan Kissinger, a także rozumiem, że Kissinger jest aa

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członek, ale nie miałem z nim kontaktu, to było moje doświadczenie

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doświadczenie w kontakcie z Dickiem Cheneyem, czy masz jakąś wiedzę na temat tej operacji, gdy był tam Gorbach?

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była też jakaś rozmowa, którą słyszałeś między Bushem a Gorbaczowem i całą tą operacją, którą miał do zrobienia

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Rosja ma odciąć Związek Radziecki lub przekonać Gorbaczowa i to jest jedyne

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jedyny aspekt, o którym w ogóle wiedziałem, jeśli chodzi o Gorbaczowa i to,

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um wysiłek był po prostu wspólnym wspólnym celem wdrożenia

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Nowy Porządek Świata, hm, nie znam szczegółów, nie mam wglądu w ten aspekt, ponieważ moje operacje były ograniczone

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głównie do Kanady, Meksyku i Karaibów, więc nigdy nie masz szansy zobaczyć, kiedy

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Czy był tam gacher czy coś w tym stylu? Nie, w tamtym czasie byłem wolny. Nie byłem już niewolnikiem kontroli umysłu. To nie było

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już nie działa, rozumiem, ale Presidio to, hm, znana baza nadużyć

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Podpułkownik Michael Aquino został oskarżony o wykorzystywanie seksualne dzieci w związku z rozprzestrzenianiem

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Jego okultystyczna świątynia poświęcona była traumom związanym z rytuałem krwi, który tam miał miejsce.

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zabrano je tam w celu programowania kontroli umysłu, jest to kontrola umysłu, hm

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zaawansowana technologia, część budynku, która jest

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znajduje się na precidio i Pridal, jak powiedziałem, jest bardzo blisko

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bliskość Bohemian Grove, więc wszystko to jest w pewien sposób ze sobą powiązane

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Ludzie są zaangażowani w oba miejsca. Czy możesz podać mi więcej szczegółów na temat tych nazwisk, które tam masz?

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jak handlarze narkotyków i handlarze narkotyków TR i niewolnicy, masz tam całkiem sporą listę, eee tak, eee, inne strony, które

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Wierzę, że wagon towarowy Willie jest artystą muzyki country, George'em Bushem

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Jr jest na liście operacji, uh, czy masz wiedzę, spotkałeś się z nim, tak?

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Kim był ten człowiek, jak go opisujesz? George Bush Jr. zabrał Kelly'ego

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kilkakrotnie zdarzyło mi się ją wykorzystać seksualnie, biorąc pod uwagę wszystkie oznaki, które widziałem, gdy Kelly była

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wrócił, musiałbym powiedzieć „tak” za jego wsparcie dla napaści seksualnej na jego ojca

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Kelly, tak, George Bush Jr. krył hmmm

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Jego ojciec, jak miał na drugie imię, uh imię George Bush Jr., również George Bush Jr., teraz nazywa się...

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jego obecne stanowisko, uh, sądzę, że jest gubernatorem Teksasu, och, rozumiem to w tym momencie, rozumiem, ale kiedy go znałem, on...

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to było, hm, to było w 1986 roku, był w kompleksie Mount Shasta, był też w

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Ronald Reagan, hm, nie wiem, czy to jego główny dom

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albo drugi dom albo cokolwiek, ale to jest dom w, hm, w

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Kalifornia, że um um byłem, spotkałeś się z nim tak, czy masz coś, uh, cokolwiek, cokolwiek

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nie miał z nim żadnego związku seksualnego ani żadnych innych oznak, że był zainteresowany jakąkolwiek formą seksu

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jedyne zainteresowanie, jakie kiedykolwiek widziałem, że okazywał, dotyczyło moich relacji

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Córko, eee, nie byłam świadkiem jego seksualnego ataku na moją córkę, chociaż czy widziałaś kogoś, kto...

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naocznym świadkiem jakiegokolwiek napaści na twoją córkę, którą widziałeś na własne oczy, widziałeś na własne oczy, tak

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kiedy to się stało i jak to się stało, to było po tym, jak Kelly i ja zostaliśmy złapani w najniebezpieczniejszej grze o nazwie

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na Górze Shasta i zabraliśmy do domku myśliwskiego, chaty, cokolwiek byś chciał

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chcę to nazwać tym, co działo się w Kalifornii, albo tak, w północnej Kalifornii i, hm, Dick Cheney i George

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Bush był wtedy na wakacjach, swego rodzaju wakacjach służbowych, ponieważ było blisko

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Święta Bożego Narodzenia i oni nie pracowali, George Bush używał ich obficie

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ilości to heroina, którą widziałem, że zażywał, zażywał heroinę, tak

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w którą stronę przez igłę lub um i um um tam też było

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opium, które było palone w tym pokoju, był tam Cheney, tak, tak

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i który pokój możesz opisać? Pokój i miejsce, w którym się znajdował? Hmm, to było ustawione

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jak ściany z drewna sekwojowego i to było bardzo rustykalne, eee, cały pokój

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został skonfigurowany w lustrzanym odbiciu

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iluzja, um, gdzie wszystko, jakby była sofa naprzeciwko sofy, byli obydwoje

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eee, czarna skóra i wyglądały dokładnie tak samo, a stały naprzeciwko siebie, dwa krzesła, dwa fotele.

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ustawione naprzeciwko siebie, tak aby wyglądało, jakby patrzyły do środka

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Pokój, cały pokój wydawał się być odbiciem lustrzanym, ale tak naprawdę został po prostu tak zaprojektowany, eee, ponieważ eee

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jakby George Bush siedział na jednym krześle, a Dick Cheney na drugim, byli nadzy, kiedy Kelly i

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Przyprowadzono mnie, byli nadzy, albo tak, eee, kiedy po raz pierwszy weszliśmy

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nie, ale, hm, oboje rozpięli spodnie i, hm, robili loda

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uwagi do Kelly i mnie, oboje byli bardzo zadowoleni

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na heroinę i narkotyki, które były

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że tam byli, to były ich ulubione narkotyki rekreacyjne i

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byli bardzo agresywni wobec Kelly i mnie

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oboje, więc co dokładnie zrobili? Po prostu uprawiali seks oralny albo po prostu penetrowali twoją erekcję, eee George

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Bush po serii perwersyjnych i LW komentarzy i wydarzeń pojawił się

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i podszedł do Kelly i położył

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jego penis w jej ustach, na chwilę, a potem zabrał ją do

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inny pokój, który znajdował się w pobliżu, to była sypialnia, która znajdowała się tuż przy tym pokoju i

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z tej sypialni słyszałem, słyszałem, jak Kelly krzyczy

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ból, jaki George Bush wygłosił wówczas Dickowi Cheneyowi,

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podobało mi się, eee, podobało mi się, gdy dzieci czuły ból i wierciły się i

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krzyknąłem, a potem usłyszałem, że to się dzieje, gdy jednocześnie

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kiedyś Dick Cheney zabrał mnie na dół, przed kominek, było tam

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kominek w pokoju i, um, i miał, um

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uprawiał ze mną tam stosunek seksualny, który był niezwykle brutalny, eee…

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jego nienormalnie duży rozmiar penisa, ale także, hm, ponieważ jaki rozmiar penisa

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ma bardzo dużego penisa, tak, bardzo, bardzo dużego, bardzo grubego, eee

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całkowicie przeciwny koniec skali, wysłanie ptaka, który z pewnością jest bardzo brutalny w swoim napaści seksualnej, eee on jest

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świadomy jego rozmiaru, eee, jest bolesny i mógłby mi zwichnąć szczękę

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... eee, seksualnie zaspokajał się w moim gardle i faktycznie wysuwał mi szczękę ze stawu i miałem trwałe uszkodzenie

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moja szczęka opadła z powodu seksualnego napaści Cheneya, tylko z powodu jego, hm, jego niezwykłych rozmiarów

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więc to było bardzo traumatyczne wydarzenie, cała ta sprawa była na tyle okropna, że faktycznie...

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zniszczyło to część mojego ówczesnego programowania i musiałem zostać przeprogramowany w Presidio

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po tym traumatycznym wydarzeniu, kiedy jechaliśmy, no cóż, z

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okolice jeziora Shasta, do którego pojechaliśmy

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zabrano nas helikopterem na górę Shasta, a kiedy to się skończyło, przetransportowano nas ponownie helikopterem z powrotem do

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Jezioro Shasta, gdzie znajdował się kamper, a Kelly w tym czasie dosłownie umierała

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nie mogła oddychać, była bardzo naćpana

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temperatura, eee, nie mogła ruszać nerkami i miała ból całego kręgosłupa

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z podziękowaniami za napaść seksualną George'a Busha

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ty przyjacielu i ja wierzę w przyjaciela na całe życie i Marka i uh, bardzo mi przykro

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zadaję ci te pytania i czuję się bardzo niepewnie nawet za pierwszym razem, kiedy się spotkaliśmy, ale to jest część, uh, mojego

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próba wyjaśnienia i ludzie mają sceptycyzm co do wszystkich tych rzeczy

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cała ta trauma, jak opisujesz tę traumę, która ci się przytrafiła, jak na tobie pracowali i eksperymentowali

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Jaki jest rozmiar, którego używają? Czy możesz nam podać więcej wskazówek na ten temat i jak one się różnią?

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jak oni na tobie robią różne traumy od początku było sen jedzenie i

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niedobór wody, który zwykle występował przez 3 dni przed wystąpieniem konkretnego zdarzenia

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sesja programowania lub jakaś konkretna operacja, którą musiałem wykonać

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niedobór wody był szczególnie trudny, zwłaszcza w

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Karaiby lub jakieś gorące miejsca, hm, o jakich miejscach mówisz, jeśli będziesz tak miły, to wiem

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Jeśli masz problem z zapamiętaniem wszystkiego, powiedz nam, w jakich miejscach możesz to zrobić? Jesteś na Karaibach, tak, eee

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Portoryko i Wyspy Dziewicze były tam i to było to

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nazywana wyspą zewnętrzną dla Karoliny Północnej, to mała, odległa wyspa, nie tak daleko od

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Bahamy i niedaleko Key West ta mała wyspa była naprawdę najpiękniejsza

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aktywna operacja narkotykowa. Widziałem Norę na tej wyspie. Ma też radio.

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wieże kontrolne dla samolotów do operacji narkotykowych, mają sterowanie radiowe

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dla statków, aby w razie gdyby działo się coś naprawdę ważnego

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inną wyspę, mogliby faktycznie zmienić kurs statku, z jakiegokolwiek powodu, wymówką, że dali złą pogodę, cokolwiek

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pojechać na te inne wyspy, ponieważ głównym celem NCL była CIA

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operacje kokainowe, więc mieli jedną małą wyspę i nazywała się Sturup

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K kiedy, kiedy mogłeś nazwać początek swoich tortur, uh, jako dziecko, zakładam i kiedy

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Kiedy to było, jeśli możesz sobie przypomnieć i jak to było wykonane, czy możesz nam podać jakieś, wiesz, zupełnie...

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analysis from the beginning of your torture time that you can recall there's um except the fact that she was abused

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by your father yeah the sexual abuse of course and then I witnessed a murder U by my father when I was about 3 years

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old that was um there was no way to really understand

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all about death even then to me I was so small but it was very traumatic just the

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same because the man was shot he had stumbled onto our camp while we were

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camping out on the high banks in near um mosan Michigan and it was hunting season

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and he was a hunter and he had happened to stumble onto our camp while my father was passing us kids around the campfire

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to my other uncles who were also sexually abusing us so in other words your father was having sex with you and

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your brother yes when this guy happened to accidentally stumble onto the campsite and when he realized what he

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saw he turned to run and my father shot him um was your father ever prosecuted

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for that no not at all not at all there was no um no no problems um that arose

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from that that I was ever aware of it all it certainly created more problems

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in my mind so that was very traumatic there were numerous traumas like that

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and like um my daughter's abuse that were um especially difficult

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psychological traumas to deal with the psychological traumas are far more

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devastating Than Physical trauma to me I have no fear now um I was asked One Time

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by a customs agent he said aren't you afraid they'll get you and torture you now I said I'm not afraid of that at all

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because I know how far torture goes it only goes so far and then it doesn't matter anymore physical torture just I

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know what the what the experience is like and how far it goes um my body

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still Bears a lot of scars from the physical tortures the um stun gun has

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left um moles and proud marks in in my skin on

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my back and my arms and my legs uh my head has been been caved in the skull is

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um who who was performing that on you um different people were using the stun

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guns sometimes Secret Service sometimes um uh especially Lieutenant Colonel

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Michael Aquino Philip Habib um Alex who was Philip Habib

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Philip khabib was Reagan Zach has he was a um some kind of international Diplomat

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I don't fully understand exactly what his um operations were although I know what his

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agenda was and it was New World Order so there were um quite a few people that

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use I'm sorry now talking talking about this torture uh uh Mark you have uh one

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of the the the weapon that Kelly described before can you tell us more

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and Kelly can you tell me how they use this in you well this is uh one variety

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there are many varieties of these things um uses a usually a 9vt battery and

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converts it from 100 uh to 210,000

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volts uh DC current um it's um it's quite powerful you can

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you can see the the blue spark there mhm and um what it does is it is it

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instantly constricts all your muscle in your body to where you have no ability

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to to holler to make a noise all you do is go straight to the ground mhm um or

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if it's done very quickly um you'll see like a flash of light in behind your

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eyes how did affect you Kell okay how they perform this on you it was

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the same thing they've been using on you yes that's one example of it there's another um uh cylindrical kind that was

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used internally I was a a vaginal Pride that um was um

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I think a lower voltage so I was more aware or could feel the pain of it

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whereas if I was hit with a higher voltage stun gun it usually was a matter of things going black and you know and

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and going down this creates uh flu like symptoms you get um uh after about uh 10

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seconds of administering this what you wind up having is someone who is uh

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usually constricted on the ground they're disoriented they do not know where they are um they don't know um um

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what time of day it is they don't know anything because uh their brain sugar has instantly been reduced to the point

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to where they're Delirious um if if you hold it on much longer than 20 seconds all you're going

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to do is uh the person is going to be out for for uh several minutes

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and uh when they do recover their their Mobility is impaired to the point to where they can't fight run do much of

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anything my my other question is uh uh to you pointed out Mark uh you one of

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the people asked me question one of the editors um why you not publish your book

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uh by some publisher well there was a very interesting question that I would like you to have today respond I could

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not get the answer because we didn't know each other some much I believe your story from the beginning and uh I would

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like to have this Con from you um in the United States um there are are um there

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are laws which protect so-called freedom of speech um particularly if you are a

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party to an action and since I was a a party to this action and since I had

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been threatened and the threats had been documented uh the threats coming from the federal government or

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Representatives of the United States government um it made me a party to the

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action of uh exposing this this atrocity um had had I permitted someone

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else to publish the book and we had many Publishers that were willing to publish it and pay us well for publishing it um

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I would have lost I would have lost the ability to have maintained the the

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content of of the book itself and I would also have lost the book itself

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there have been been several people to publish books similar to what Kathy and I have published and the CIA just simply

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comes in and buys the rights and uh buys prob to cover up people and literally

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removes them from the shelves of the bookstores and that's the end of it there's no more uh available um so your

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Asic was not exactly to make money to make sensation out of it and that's the reason that I felt you both to be in the

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very same uh because my motive is to expose that mind control operation of

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humans as something very dangerous and something has to be punished all over the world to the media and I will do my

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best in my effort to do so but I'm very glad to hear that kind of answer from you that you you not particularly uh

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gain was to get money out of it and to be a rich man and to get out of it at at

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some at several points in the past eight years Kathy and I could have sold our story and um if we agreed to be silenced

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uh we could have sold it and she would have had enough money to have lived off of the rest of her life and I could have recovered my life I I invested more in

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this than than anyone would be willing to pay me frankly uh because I was willing to do it and I get did it

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willingly but um there's no amount of money that can silence us that's absurd

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it can't happen other aspect that I noticed as as a man who is following now it became friends and I'm really much

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very much uh listening you and I really appreciate that your company was the way

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how you m together and the way that you simply dedicated your your future life

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to something that you didn't know about what will be happen out of it something is very dangerous but your probably

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inside soul and insta instinct tells you that maybe uh that is your dedication to

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the humanity that you somehow to your previous job didn't get as uh

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satisfactory I believe well as you as you know uh during the late 60s and

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early 70s I was exposed to um as a United States Department of Defense

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subcontractor uh I was exposed to some MK Ultra or mind control

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experimentation uh legitimate experimentation uh that didn't involve torture it did not involve any sort of

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trauma um it was um more in line with uh rehabilitating criminals and in uh uh

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people involved in mental institution settings um also with apes and uh

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Dolphins uh behavioral modification programs is actually what they were entitled but what I learned from uh

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those experiences and from what my own research led me to believe was that mind control or external control of the mind

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um was um perhaps the greatest threat to Mankind's

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survival uh certainly with it's the last freedom that we have uh that is not

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currently being encumbered on a mass scale it is encumbered on on on

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individual scales like Kathy is telling you but uh when presented with the opportunity

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and I look at it as an opportunity book to to actually U make a positive difference I found no

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no alternative there wasn't a choice um had there been a choice um

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logically I would not have done what I did but um uh there was no choice the

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choice was very simple to rescue Kathy and Kelly and to get this information into the Public's ear I just didn't

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realize it would take me so long to accomplish this goal there were so many government secrets and personal

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reputation staked on the belief that I couldn't be deprogrammed and I know I'm

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extremely fortunate to have survived all of this but they were they were wrong in

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believing that because they made that belief predicated on their own immoral

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thought processes and they're Limited in their Thinking by their own immorality they never considered that someone like

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Mark would use the information that he had for good to actually help to help

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not not only me but to help help Humanity but I think the most

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um if there's a happy ending to this story personally it would be that we

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have fallen in love and the love Factor has been very significant in my recovery because not only did he save my life but

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I have um uh certainly have a reason to live it and the love factor is extremely

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important I feel like most people spend their lifetime looking for a love and never find it and um at 38 now I've I've

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got that love and um that's a your emotions back and feeling see when I was

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talking to some people I even describe I was tell little bit of my uh Expressions I said this is like a pigmalion story on

2:05:07

the way professor and remember palian story My Fair Lady uh but in different uh frame and

2:05:15

picture and different time I really appreciate it very much the way you describe me the situations so can you

2:05:21

actually describe me the way you met for the first time and how how everything happened and uh um I first of all I need

2:05:30

to to apply just a little bit of History I had um a business with the People's Republic of

2:05:37

China and the uh uh milit Chinese military we were we were involved in a

2:05:44

joint venture company to manufacture large capacitor banks that were used in

2:05:50

Energy savings uh for the mining industry the mining industry was having to shut down every

2:05:56

other day because of a lack of electricity and um the mining industry

2:06:01

of course was controlled by the military over there because it was metal they have um a rather odd Arrangement on how

2:06:08

they uh control certain things but um as a result of my agreement uh joint

2:06:16

venture contracts with the uh People's Republic of China um and the military

2:06:25

they were very concerned about um who my business partners were apparently and Alex Houston uh Kathy o O'Brien's

2:06:34

Handler uh back in the States was in fact a uh business partner of mine thank

2:06:40

you it was a business partner of mine and um actually was a one of the people

2:06:46

that was instrumental in uh helping me put this company together I was was told by the Chinese

2:06:53

Chinese intelligence I was approached by them after the signing of the contract that I had a partner in the United

2:06:59

States Alex Houston who was involved in drug trafficking child and adult

2:07:04

prostitution pornography money laundering and it was working for the

2:07:09

CIA and and it was sanctioned by the White House meaning uh at the highest

2:07:16

level which Cel was that in China in which place in China you remember call it um I have the pictures I'm not sure

2:07:24

oh yes I am too it was called the International Hotel in Beijing um is uh

2:07:30

where actually this uh meeting took place um a secondary meeting took place

2:07:35

at a at a uh uh facility in the shinen province in southern

2:07:42

China um but uh the Chinese offered to provide me the

2:07:49

funding to buy Alex Houston app which they provided it uh not only did

2:07:54

they give me a $1 million letter of credit through BCCI in New York but they

2:08:01

also provided me with cash to purchase Alex Houston's stock uh I returned to the United States

2:08:08

I bought Alex Houston stock I contacted uh a general friend of mine uh because

2:08:14

of the words mind control being introduced into all this uh conversation that I'd had with a Chinese intelligence

2:08:20

officer and I explained to him what I was up against and he told me that mind

2:08:26

control as I knew it from the' 60s and70s research was fully operational

2:08:32

and was saturating the private sector in other words the civilians were being

2:08:38

abused with it well it was at that point was your a friend from CIA who told you that uh actually yes he was CIA but he

2:08:44

was also um a high ranking military official in Military Intelligence um his

2:08:50

connection to the C CIA at that time I was not aware of I had I've only recently learned that he had CIA

2:08:56

connections um he was um US military intelligence which is a separate thing

2:09:03

but uh this gentleman had um tried to convince me that that people like Kathy

2:09:09

were not um helpable you that there was no help available for them and that once

2:09:15

I got her and her daughter out of there uh I would just have two insane people on my hands and I could not possibly

2:09:22

help them even with the knowledge that I'd acquired um on this topic but um

2:09:28

fortunately my this friend was wrong because he put me in touch with some other people uh within US military

2:09:35

intelligence who were very Cooperative in giving me the information I needed to

2:09:40

not only get her out uh but also to help put her back together and uh so they

2:09:47

they've been also engaged in this uh in this uh operation and they knew the Technologies and de programming in a way

2:09:54

yes sir and that's what they provided me uh as far as the tools to work with and

2:10:00

uh after working with Kathy about 9 months in Alaska um she had reached a point to

2:10:07

where she was not dissociating or going into any sort of Trance she was uh quite

2:10:13

competent and I felt uh uh could withstand the rigors of

2:10:18

cross-examination uh by the federal Authority part so at that point in time we began in Earnest reporting what she

2:10:27

had experienced with the proofs that we were able to acquire which were very limited at that time uh and the

2:10:34

documents and testimony which was extremely limited just to what really I was able to acquire over a few month

2:10:40

period of time we began to supply that to every single law enforcement agency

2:10:47

in the United States that could impact this case to get it before the people

2:10:53

necessary to have it properly investigated and have these perpetrators charged but we were stopped for reasons

2:10:58

of National Security Now They the bad guys or the perpetrators the ones who

2:11:04

abused she and her daughter and so many others are hiding behind the

2:11:10

1947 National Securities act the National Security Act is

2:11:16

is not a necessary provision in our uh uh

2:11:21

protection of of government secrets we had the rules of of ethical military conduct which protected our nation

2:11:29

Secrets since its beginning and it was quite adequate what this National Securities act does v is that it

2:11:36

protects perpetrators at the highest level uh for any activity they can do

2:11:42

anything they can run drugs for money they can uh have secret uh parts of the

2:11:48

government that they're funding with drugs and and and other illicit profits um and it's all done under the

2:11:56

guise of National Security and there's nothing that a citizen can do U as far as getting it into court at this point

2:12:03

we keep raising the question in C's case what does National Security have to do with a rape and molestation of a child

2:12:10

because Kelly has been a literally a political prisoner in the custody of the

2:12:16

state of Tennessee she's denied Rehabilitation due to the political

2:12:21

prominence of her CK alra abusers she's waiting for the peace of mind that I

2:12:30

know comes with recovery she's waiting for the day that she'll be free to be herself and that um she'll be free of

2:12:38

this blanket of National Security that's been allowing for the proliferation of

2:12:43

the violation of laws and rights in her case that are um it's absolutely

2:12:49

intolerable and it's blatant she's been a political prisoner for over 5 Years

2:12:54

and we're looking forward to the day when we can get the information out on a

2:12:59

wide enough scale that Kelly can actually be help do you believe that uh I'm very happy and delightful that

2:13:05

tomorrow we're going to meet Kelly and uh that will be able to talk to her and you you told her them coming and I

2:13:11

believe they will have a nice time bringing her for the first time out of this uh facility yes I do believe uh

2:13:18

marking and CAD that that there is some help for her that someone will be able with full knowledge of that destructive

2:13:25

technology of controlling of human Minds to work out also with Cy even she was

2:13:30

exposed no technology available in the private sector civilians have not been

2:13:37

given that that technology um in other words the psychiatrist and and the psychologist

2:13:43

that are in this country and abroad I don't know of any of them that have access to the technology that is

2:13:48

required that I'm aware of uh to to help Kelly what is the major

2:13:55

different between uh Kathy's case and Kelly's case um it's the amount of scarring on the brain stem that occurred

2:14:02

prior to age five um Kathy was abused uh sexually physically um and

2:14:10

psychologically and behaviorally but Kelly was abused through the use of

2:14:15

technology and chemicals um Kelly's Kelly's abuses is

2:14:20

goes much much uh it's much more pronounced uh the

2:14:27

brain damage is much more exensive and Kelly um has a wonderful chance for

2:14:33

Recovery a wonderful chance she's extremely intelligent for one if if in

2:14:39

fact we can force this government to at least and this is what all of this is

2:14:46

about to at least release the equipment that I know is available that would put

2:14:52

that child back together so that she could be a normally uh normally functioning adult in the meantime we've

2:15:00

um nurtured her on a on a a so level at the very essence of her being with love

2:15:08

understanding um and and compassion and also been able to give her an insight

2:15:13

and understanding of herself and why she's in the um the situation that she

2:15:19

is rather than um recovered because her own desire to recover her own

2:15:26

um her own she's she's so motivated inside to

2:15:33

recover that if that could have done it she'd be there but she doesn't know why she wasn't able to bring herself to that

2:15:39

point that's not fair that she should even have to think that way so we we hope to get um access to some kind of

2:15:46

technology that will actually help her stay in control of herself she says that Longs for the day that she can express

2:15:53

herself as she knows she is inside and it's um are you definitely positive that

2:15:59

that there's no access to any more penetration of any kind of influence on

2:16:05

her due the fact that she could be very dangerous uh witness to the much more extensive uh actually cover up on the

2:16:12

her case actually there is no guarantees uh not for Kelly not for me

2:16:18

or Kathy or for that matter you um um but with as much publicity as this case

2:16:24

has been given over the past five years through law enforcement legitimate law

2:16:30

enforcement and legitimate mental health in this country and abroad um I would

2:16:36

say that uh the chances of them abusing Kelly at this point are slim to

2:16:42

none um it would not be practical it would be a um it would be a big red flag

2:16:51

I was also facing the different questions so maybe it's very interesting for you to to open my heart and to tell

2:16:56

you what kind of uh question I got when I was playing the tape that you gave me and all these books uh for the people

2:17:03

that have been very superficially facing that that means not reading your book and not even being capable from the time

2:17:10

point of you to read that they always thought that should be something that Americans are planning on Earth you know

2:17:16

on the way even in Europe in Western Europe but uh from the others they asked me people they're more concerned and

2:17:22

they have some knowledge on that and especially this field is not only in United States field is probably Russia

2:17:27

very developed oh yeah uh in all this uh fistic regimes country in the world that

2:17:34

is not employing uh the same type of mind control that c experience there's

2:17:39

no country in the world that's excluded and that even goes into some of the most um third world uh primitive Societies in

2:17:48

Africa and such as Hy in Haiti you know also kind of Patrol

2:17:56

trauma uh so now most people say how you're still alive how knowing the fact

2:18:01

how CIA is effective and as a matter of fact how easy I was facing situation in my life tra when I was working on crall

2:18:08

I'm probably most dangerous uh Espionage Affair in the world uh by now of being

2:18:14

threatened and been even uh tortured one time and lucky enough I survived that torture but on way uh knowing the such

2:18:23

methodology of killing to kill the person eliminate the person you just need few expert on that uh what kept you

2:18:31

live through this years probably uh the single greatest uh support that we

2:18:37

received were from friends that I have friendships that I have maintained over

2:18:42

the years uh within the intelligence community and within law enforcement these people have guided my path and

2:18:49

Kathy's path uh safely through this Maze of of information

2:18:55

dissemination we have disseminated information uh we know what kind of secrets to keep and what not to keep um

2:19:03

we know what will get you killed and what you can survive with we have literally passed through the window of

2:19:10

opportunity and we have successfully got this information out in such Mass but

2:19:15

now quite honestly um I believe that we're probably safer than most Americans

2:19:22

don't even know about this stuff I don't I don't feel that we are threatened uh for for most the people

2:19:28

that D at a publisher or people from magazines they ask me questions okay we will publish if it's only a matter of um

2:19:36

mind control which is people are weird of one way to Satanism and other me but

2:19:41

how we can comprehend uh child abuse with a very famous name in politics it's very simple

2:19:48

v um there's one kind common denominator between a child abuser and one who isn't

2:19:54

a child abuser that common denominator is their both people and when people are in positions

2:20:02

of absolute power you know that absolute power corrupts absolutely and sometimes

2:20:09

um even the most mild-mannered unper perverted person when they are placed in

2:20:14

in positions of extreme Authority under extreme pressure um and uh they

2:20:22

develop some very sociopathic attitudes towards their fellow man um and in the

2:20:28

process of doing so Express themselves uh sexually in a very perverted way now

2:20:35

this is common knowledge among people who study the mind psychologists psychiatrists and mental health people

2:20:42

they realize that the higher up the latter of success someone Rises the more

2:20:48

perverted uh their sexuality become and the more criminal-minded they become um

2:20:55

uh this has been known throughout history so to say that because this

2:21:00

person is a famous politician or an Entertainer or um or uh

2:21:06

musician it does not make them exempt from uh perverted Behavior as a matter

2:21:11

of fact it accelerates it and this is a matter of human nature so um in the past

2:21:19

you know Rockstar if if they were all arrested for drug use there wouldn't be any rock

2:21:26

stars I mean there wouldn't be any rock and roll because they'd all be locked up

2:21:32

so why aren't they locked up when they use this stuff openly everybody knows they use it they

2:21:38

use it because they buy it so that means they're buying it they're selling it they're using it and they don't go to

2:21:44

prison it's because of society accepts it but they will not accept someone

2:21:49

sitting in the audience using it while they're watching these rock stars use it

2:21:56

um politicians on the other hand pass laws to have uh perverted persons locked

2:22:01

up but they themselves are practicing the perversions and they are above the

2:22:07

law because they have placed themselves that way so that's really the only only

2:22:13

answer that I can think of logically to answer your question other other means that uh other

2:22:20

other questions I was asking you there's other other question was asked from me from the people that I was showing the

2:22:26

film to was uh what is the perspective of a majority of Americans are there

2:22:34

aware that they came to the stage of very strange situation which we know as

2:22:39

Arville 84 book but Orville Arville book 84 as total control uh you know we was

2:22:47

having a lot of films on that and is right right Hollywood industry is full of those films how do you think because

2:22:53

you have uh access to reality you have access to be with KY who was actually

2:22:59

one of those robber that he was watching even in in in Hollywood by the time what

2:23:05

is your opinion about uh this country where this country is going is that phenomena scaring a lot of people in

2:23:11

this country George Orwell uh in 1949 gave us some pretty Grim

2:23:16

predictions based on um some theories that he developed based on uh some

2:23:22

technology that he knew that were being developed George Orwell had connections into the intelligence

2:23:28

Community um both British MI6 as well as CIA in those days it was the

2:23:36

OSS um George Orwell when he wrote his book uh books and many of them um he

2:23:42

predicted a society which would uh through Natural Evolution be controlled

2:23:49

through its own technology um when you secret knowledge equals power and when you have secret knowledge

2:23:56

technologically speaking you can control whomever for instance the United

2:24:02

States is in control of the world at this time due to its technology

2:24:08

advancement now um technology has a way of of not being a table or protectable

2:24:16

asset um as a matter of fact um more ESP has committed uh in search of

2:24:23

technological Secrets than any other single um piece of secret knowledge or

2:24:29

information that any government or Corporation can can contain so secret knowledge is very very important for

2:24:37

control we as a people are not as average American person are not aware

2:24:44

that the government is about 25 to 30 years ahead of us technologically

2:24:50

speaking now auk I asked you the camera that you're working with right now was

2:24:57

not even thought of 25 years ago much less available so the so technology um if you

2:25:05

removed everything from your life uh that was not in existence 25 years ago

2:25:12

you would practically remove everything that you have including some of your clothing because of

2:25:18

Technology um man has got to evolve through this technological breakthrough we will defy

2:25:27

what George Orwell predicted and which has come true big brother is in fact

2:25:32

watching us all but uh uh through the use of Technology but mankind will and

2:25:38

must evolve through it or mankind will fail species from from my

2:25:45

perspective people tend to pick and choose what they want to believe of my victory ization predicated on their own

2:25:52

experience and in The Last 5 Years people can relate to it more because it

2:25:57

is their experience more and more people are affected in some aspect by mind control they're affected by someone a

2:26:04

loved one that's in Special Forces with the military or someone who has been

2:26:10

affected by occultism and blood trauma and mind control through that there's

2:26:15

people affected through child abuse scandals that are not seeing any justice

2:26:22

in this country there's people that are most widely affected through the global

2:26:29

education process that's been implemented in the school system that's where the education system has been

2:26:37

changed and designed to increase the children's learning capacity while

2:26:42

decreasing their ability to critically analyze it's making them robotic they

2:26:48

come home to the to their parents as children that their parents don't even

2:26:53

recognize anymore they don't know who those children are it's like the young man who goes off and uh is recruited by

2:27:00

uh the military and then is put into a special forces training and he comes

2:27:05

back and he has no memory of of any of his personal life his parents barely

2:27:11

recognize his Persona um and his loved ones no longer

2:27:16

even know who he is now this isn't to say that Global education is the kind of experience that I had my experience was

2:27:24

extreme and I was totally robotic these kids are coming out of school in a

2:27:30

slightly robotic state they're they're coming out with a completely different attitude towards life so there's like a

2:27:36

sliding scale of mind control but nevertheless more and more people in this country are affected in one way or

2:27:41

another so they are wide open to that reality plus with the erosion of our constitutional values with our our

2:27:48

country having been um just completely eroded morally and

2:27:54

and uh financially people are opening their eyes a little bit they're beginning to ask questions and demand

2:28:01

answers as to what went on so they're more ready to expect the information our government has created Total Chaos in

2:28:06

this country by flooding the streets with drugs drugs that are addictive

2:28:12

drugs that are are debilitating and drugs that will will capture all of the

2:28:18

uh not only disposable incomes of the uh lower class middle class upper class but

2:28:25

also their entire life savings and they they know that the CIA is involved in

2:28:30

the drug industry I don't know anybody that doesn't know that in this country the average drug dealer on the streets

2:28:35

just kids know that if they're not part of CIA operations they're going to get busted so that's the that's the word on

2:28:43

um in the slums to the kids that are selling drugs on the street corners so people are aware that there's a big

2:28:49

problem in this country so what kind of society is a society between uh slaves and mustard or what which which way are

2:28:56

we going to which way this government is take a look back in history and see what

2:29:02

Adolf Hitler's Vision was for for the his new world order and that's exactly what we're headed into unless we get the

2:29:10

information out the only defense against mind control is knowledge we've been

2:29:16

Opera they have been operating on the um idea that secret knowledge equals power

2:29:22

and in fact that has been true we need to tell those secrets that's why Mark and I have written the book that's why

2:29:28

we're getting the information out that's why we have so many behind us dedicated to getting this information out people

2:29:34

have a right to know and a need to know this information for the sake of humanity as we know it how about uh just

2:29:42

uh you appeared and lot of uh uh how many talk shows you're appearing uh and

2:29:48

how many uh conference uh you was appearing with um book I don't have an

2:29:54

exact figure I can guesstimate from the number of years and the number of stops and just by a drawer full

2:30:02

of uh cancelled airline tickets probably

2:30:10

U probably 150 uh personal appearances and probably

2:30:16

uh with caddy together right oh always always always always and uh

2:30:21

probably twice that many radio and television shows both in the United

2:30:27

States and Canada when the television shows were taking place now television

2:30:32

show the TV shots were usually limited to uh uh news people coming in to

2:30:38

seminars and taking 5 minute two minute one minute film clips of what we were talking about um we have done a couple

2:30:46

of on uh on camera interviews with uh uh some people uh investigative reporters

2:30:53

and those have been aired in various markets uh we did one 4our segment for a Christian uh broadcast group uh which

2:31:02

was there in 30 minute increments eight shows you have this tape here actually I I can get it the master

2:31:09

I have here I copied it so many times it's it's finished lowy interview okay not I'm not pleased with

2:31:16

it um it was back in the early days where I was unable to say something some of the things that we wanted to say

2:31:21

because we did not have hard proof or hard testimony uh corroborating

2:31:26

testimony and the media is so controlled and censored we've had to do this um oh yeah we've had to do this a difficult

2:31:32

way you making copies and getting information out and and now that we've got the book at least it's a an easier

2:31:39

more um comprehensive vehicle for getting me information me that you was

2:31:45

together with 60 minutes once and he they were doing story what's happened with that segment and how the situation

2:31:51

was looking like that segment was filmed in uh California uh videotaped and uh the

2:32:00

interviewer um with tears in his eyes Bo told Kathy

2:32:06

that someday her story will be told but not now in other words and I off

2:32:14

camera I asked him I said where is this tape going he said it's going back to

2:32:20

minutes I said who is it for he said why I said who is it for he said it's for the CIA they want to see what you're

2:32:27

talking about my very similar experience talking about 60 minutes I was uh I was

2:32:33

sent to 60 Minutes to the very distinguished gentleman that I respect David berer of New York Times who discover a very similar self Afflicted

2:32:40

terrorist act by the Muslim in Saro which was used as pretext for bombing of the service even that everybody knew

2:32:46

there was not d by there but I was also in 60 minutes I was with Don hu woking

2:32:51

Legend of American journalism I was showing uh to his um producer um one of them was Jeff fager

2:32:59

who I mentioned one of the film which was actually airing to them as maybe last Hest story about American children

2:33:06

was story about kawai's daughter of Kuwaiti Ambassador who was one month uh pretending to be a witness from

2:33:14

the KU and how kids were killed and Bush was you know even knowing the fact that she was daughter to KU in bador quoting

2:33:21

her statements um don't he would went for half an hour to inform himself from CIA

2:33:29

he came back and he said your story is right I cannot air your story because

2:33:35

they will damage the whole industry of media they will damage the whole thing so I'm very sorry that is the biggest

2:33:41

challenge I ever had biggest conspiracy that I heard of but I'm sorry I cannot

2:33:47

make it end of discussion so understand that some topics we'll never but I hope

2:33:52

that this topic will be very soon aired in the future and we'll do something about that well it's happening now as as

2:34:00

U I mentioned earlier we are we've had more

2:34:06

press uh good solid press interested in what we're talking about in the last 5

2:34:12

months than we've had in the last uh 8 years and uh we are are in fact winning

2:34:20

Bo I think it's the people's demand for answers that's causing the Medias to start coming around because people have

2:34:26

gone totally to Alternative Medias the radio and shortwave and um what they call

2:34:33

underground newspapers and and things like that which are in essence Patriot newspapers but the um the there's so

2:34:41

many people the majority of the people are turning to the alternative Medias to

2:34:46

the point where the mainstream media is going to have to just get with it now are are lose out entirely I mean it's

2:34:52

just time for it to turn around the demand of the people has risen to that proportion in this country

2:34:58

exactly so you're planning also I was told that uh what you tell what you can tell me about this Global education uh

2:35:06

order what is this all about and how you understand we didn't have or we don't we

2:35:11

not aware of that in Europe for time being makes me wonder if it's under a

2:35:17

different name there's a lot of different names that's used um in this country in Canada and Mexico

2:35:23

that I'm aware of the global education 2000 um goals 2000 in this country it's

2:35:30

referred to as America 2000 outcome based education so there's a lot of different names but in essence it's a

2:35:37

form of of teaching that is me teaching

2:35:44

a method of teaching through computers and headphones that affects the

2:35:50

subconscious more directly the same stuff we were working on the 60s and 70s for NASA so that astronauts could

2:35:57

remember everything that they saw in while in space some of those same principles are being applied in our

2:36:05

schools using simple computers back in those days though they didn't have simple computers they were quite

2:36:10

elaborate it would fill a room with equipment now you can have on your

2:36:16

lap so what is the philosophy behind also on the control of the masses or

2:36:22

what is global education what do you it is an absolute control of the masses and supposedly a a control on the growth

2:36:30

national product the productivity of these children when they emerge as adults and are going to be in a work

2:36:36

environment it's a very easy way to um

2:36:41

uh put them into certain classifications uh very quickly very

2:36:47

simply and everybody does the same job um uh that they're assigned supposedly

2:36:53

much more efficiently um there seems to be a tremendous amount of questions whether or not that could actually

2:36:59

happen um in some areas I can assure you that efficiency does go up but U uh

2:37:06

creativity goes down and our species our human species has evolved because of its

2:37:13

ability to become creative once our creativity is stifled then uh we will be

2:37:19

plunged into a dark ages that of that would I suppose rival anything in

2:37:25

history so we're on the threshold for that now when I was forced to work under

2:37:33

Secretary of Education Bill Bennett during the Reagan Administration I was forced to deliver a

2:37:40

message to the state Governors at a convention that was being held and this

2:37:46

particular message included the idea that they could control the future by

2:37:53

controlling the children and that by controlling the information that the

2:37:59

children learn and in other words adjusting history to fit their own

2:38:04

agenda that um they could actually be um affecting the future and in us I suppose

2:38:11

that that's true that children are our but how you explain the phenomena

2:38:16

how many people that you believe and how many pro programs of Mind Control existing now and how many people that

2:38:22

you know that were together with you he was also mentioning School of charm something like that as there as the the

2:38:27

charm school where the sex slaves um in particular were taken through and there

2:38:32

were a half dozen to a dozen girls going through at a time for a 3-day Course and

2:38:39

there were so many mind controlled slaves in my own controlled environment

2:38:46

that I I genuinely believe that the whole world was involved in mind control

2:38:51

I thought that's the way the world was um there were that many I don't know the exact um the exact number where was that

2:38:59

that School located and how many people was attending can they call it course um Youngstown

2:39:07

Ohio and it was um it was some military Bays or no no um actually it was part of

2:39:14

the the um university area and it was a

2:39:19

um an old Museum type house that was um

2:39:25

used by a uh banking family here that's quite

2:39:30

affluent the melon um banking family so they were involved directly in my

2:39:37

victimization um the um so-called governor of charm

2:39:42

school was that was steuart pran melon that I'm aware of but um there were

2:39:49

there were quite a few girls that were that were run through there and I went through there um on the average of once

2:39:57

a year for reprogramming or additional um what kind of uh what kind of uh program was there what what have you

2:40:03

have been what it what it thought through there um per to fulfill different perversions for example um

2:40:11

there was a oral sex program that um

2:40:17

involved not breathing for an extended period of time so that the um man would

2:40:27

be gratifying himself in the throat without allowing for any breathing to go on and he would actually become um so

2:40:35

excited by the idea that he could be suffocating the girl that um that would

2:40:41

be his sexual thrill and that was one thing that we were taught it was called a three minute Miracle um to be able to

2:40:48

to sexually gratify someone uh before before you were killed and I am aware of

2:40:55

girls that died exactly that way other perversions included uh

2:41:00

beastiality and um and the uh bisexuality there were just there were

2:41:07

numerous perversions there it was done on University and in a special area

2:41:12

University who was a teacher there no it wasn't it wasn't associated with the university it was just near the younger

2:41:19

to University um area within that um um

2:41:25

melon home so it was uh nobody actually lived there it was used strictly for uh

2:41:32

bringing girls in on occasion I really don't know how often the doors were open if they stayed open or if they only

2:41:38

opened them on certain occasions is that the bank that was involved in this drug trafficking and a lot of scandals United

2:41:43

States Jim traffic an was was involved and he's a um US Congress man that has

2:41:50

infiltrated the Patriot groups acting like he's somebody that is concerned for the welfare of our country when in fact

2:41:56

that's not his agenda at all and he was one of those he and Dick thornberg um were among those that would

2:42:05

um test the girls to see if they could actually be released from charm schill

2:42:10

it's very torturous okay so Mark you have some additional material that was

2:42:16

requested from a publisher and people the media in Europe that you would like

2:42:21

to present me today what material we talking about that you'll be giving supporting your book and your teases

2:42:27

there's been a variety of uh Publications that have been put out over the past U we'll say 5 years that

2:42:37

support the vast majority of everything that's in our book um a general Russell

2:42:46

Bowen um wrote the immaculate deception subtitled the bush crime Family

2:42:53

exposed um he goes into Bush's oil worldwide oil deals his um his

2:42:59

Arrangements that he has made with the Arab world um his um his cocaine

2:43:06

business and drug business out of the far east as well as that of uh South

2:43:11

America um General Bowen worked for George Bush and he worked for the CIA

2:43:20

for a number of years and actually believed that he was importing drugs to

2:43:26

be distributed in the Soviet Union um he felt like this was part of

2:43:32

the psychological warfare that we were waging against the Soviet Union he did not realize that George Bush was

2:43:38

actually putting these drugs on the streets of America and when he did he

2:43:44

began to testify against uh his own government and as a result well up being

2:43:49

imprisoned himself now Russell or general Bowen is now living in Peru he

2:43:55

moved about 5 weeks ago he moved um actually the uh uh second third third

2:44:01

week in February of 1996 of this year but um uh he did produce a wonderful

2:44:08

document called U the immaculate deception and um like many other books

2:44:14

that describe what Kathy O'Brien experienced at the hands of our

2:44:20

government um as a slave in the drug muing and prostitution business um she

2:44:29

she also had provided facts um actually before uh general b wrote his book she

2:44:36

provided the facts to a number of persons that are familiar to me um both in Military Intelligence and

2:44:45

and and within the CIA um in addition to just this one book we

2:44:53

have probably our largest single files are medical

2:44:59

documentations um there are literally thousands of pages of medical documentation where the psychologist and

2:45:06

psychiatrist that have examined Kathy O'Brien um and her daughter have all

2:45:14

confirmed what we know are the findings in addition to that Canadian

2:45:20

intelligence of whom I am acquainted with some of the members um have

2:45:25

provided uh more information with regards to some of the perpetrators that

2:45:30

Kathy O'Brien mentions such as Michael Aquino who is head of the or was

2:45:37

formerly a United States Army colonel in charge of psychological

2:45:43

warfare um here at in the United States he's a very famous figure he as a

2:45:49

Nazi form ritual as a matter of fact he Embraces um the whole philosophy of

2:45:55

Nazism and um uh he was uh a few years ago in

2:46:01

1987 uh there was a search warrant issued as a result of some complaints by

2:46:07

uh local children being molested in his home well when they went into his home

2:46:13

they did find a number of Articles uh relating to Nazi belief systems uh

2:46:21

symbologies symbols things of this nature but they also found something else um Colonel

2:46:28

quino um is head of a the what is known as the Temple of set the Temple of set

2:46:35

is actually a spin-off Church of the Church of Satan

2:46:40

um like um hinr himler was researching and by the way Hinrich himler is his

2:46:47

hero um Hinrich himler was studying the Black Arts and and trying to understand

2:46:54

more about um the effect on the person's mind that is exposed to these blood

2:47:00

rituals and sort of thing um what amazingly enough uh Colonel Aquino uh

2:47:07

found out that this uh was a wonderful trauma base for controlling people's

2:47:13

minds um Kathy O'Brien and her daughter both had and unfortunately

2:47:19

a great deal of exposure to Michael Aquino and we have a number of people in the United States military who have Ste

2:47:26

followed and provided credible testimony to support her um her her findings and

2:47:33

statements and and uh testimony before federal agents um it's unusual and I

2:47:38

must tell you this Michael quino has sued he's a he's a litigant he has sued

2:47:44

everyone who has ever uh attacked him in a publication

2:47:49

or on radio or on television and he in some of his lawsuits have been quite successful uh we are the only

2:47:57

exception the reason being is because if he would sue us we could take him to

2:48:02

court with hard proof of his abuses of Kathy and her daughter and of course

2:48:08

this is the same situation that exists with George Bush and some of the others but

2:48:13

um uh Michael L quino had a book uh written

2:48:19

around him and I'll read you something and it says what most people don't know

2:48:25

and what US law enforcement officers are only beginning to discover is that Satanism is the fastest growing

2:48:31

underground criminal movement in the world today and that it is directly linked to an exploding number of child

2:48:38

abuse cases Nazism drug dealing pornography and

2:48:43

prostitution now this sounds very familiar because this is exactly what Kathy ran has been talking about Linda

2:48:51

blood is A friend of mine as a matter of fact we are mentioned in her book several times this new Satanist that

2:48:57

came out last year by Dell publishing here in the United States um the CIA did

2:49:03

not want it to stay on the market so they stopped the publication just as they would have ours had we allowed a

2:49:09

publisher to handle it but um uh this particular book literally rips off the

2:49:16

covers of secrecy concerning my M quino's use of Nazism and blood traumas

2:49:22

and Satanism to externally control the Mind through trauma I might I notic that in

2:49:28

most of this book that you provide me as extra material to your book uh we are

2:49:34

facing a similarity between Nazism Nazi Germany and United States today or

2:49:39

George Bush you know World War order uh in all this material is it coincidence

2:49:45

or you believe that's formally like that I believe like many uh Intelligence Officers believe and many federal

2:49:52

officers believe who are associated closely with the with the mechanism in

2:49:58

Washington that Nazism is Alive and Well in this country because it was just simply exported from Germany in the

2:50:05

40s um I I'm adamant to say that I don't

2:50:10

believe Nazism ever died I just think it was resurrected over here because as our

2:50:17

conversations earlier in the day concerning Project Paperclip have proven

2:50:22

that we imported all these scientists with all these ideas and um how to create chaos in a

2:50:29

society and they have done an excellent job what other material is you providing us well um there's um there's a a great

2:50:38

number of bodies of research concerning uh himler uh use of uh of people in

2:50:45

human experiments to create uh the perfect proverbial mansurian candidate

2:50:52

um uh all of this research has been has been uh actually collected by a number of of

2:51:00

topnotch Physicians and lawyers around this country I've been very privileged

2:51:06

to have been a part of contributing from my experience in the 60s and the 70s

2:51:11

working for the defense department and being associated with the project known as MK Ultra which is of course uh the

2:51:18

United St government's code name for the Mind Control experiments um in addition to that there

2:51:24

are and this is some of the lawyers uh briefs about uh what they have

2:51:30

discovered uh so far as the secret government goes in our country that is actually undermining the efforts of

2:51:37

every good person in this country um uh the Mormon Church of course is been

2:51:43

highly affected much like the Catholics are because their belief systems have um

2:51:48

have actually been uh here's a here's an article here top Mormon officials U probe member allegations of

2:51:57

satanic abuse um the Mormon church is literally

2:52:02

Under Fire right now because they're claiming that better than

2:52:07

60% of the of the children in the Mormon Church in some way or another have been

2:52:14

sexually um and psychologically abused um in their daycare settings and other

2:52:20

Church sponsored um uh functions it's um it's

2:52:26

really it's reached the point now epidemic stage in this country you know b um in 1980 there were 200 cases of

2:52:35

this dissociative identity disorder that the American Psychiatric and American Psychological associations had had um

2:52:43

had actually published there were 200 reported cases in 199 there were a

2:52:49

quarter of a million cases reported in this country in 1995 2 and a half

2:52:56

million cases reported you child abuse uh no of multiple personality disorder

2:53:02

or or uh um what is known as dissociative identity disorder that's

2:53:07

what Kathy O'Brien and her daughter suffered from any anything anywhere publicly uh numbers that you are

2:53:14

mentioning now do you have any any uh quotation from that magazine scientific magazine yes um the American Psychiatric

2:53:20

association is the one who compiled these figures from their group of participating psychiatrist across the

2:53:28

United States and actually Canada too is included in the studies I I I could understand logically putting all this

2:53:34

facts analogies together that we're talking now about mind control operation

2:53:40

a big scale United States which scary me is that what you want to say it's very scary yes sir and it is big big uh in

2:53:47

terms of numbers because because uh V when you're talking about 2 and A2 million people and the estimates are

2:53:54

that only one in 10 are actually seen and diagnosed you're talking about 20 to

2:54:00

25 million people that constitutes a sizable portion of the United States

2:54:05

with a serious psychological problem serious th those kind of people are

2:54:11

capable of becoming serial killers um they usually suicide themselves at very

2:54:16

young ages um they themselves will be child abusers they'll abuse their own

2:54:22

children and not even know they're doing it it becomes autogenic behavior in other words it's just a a knee-jerk

2:54:28

response system um in addition to that you asked

2:54:33

me a question you said is Kathy O'Brien the first person that uh has ever come

2:54:42

forward the answer to you uh then was no there's been many but only one has ever

2:54:48

been considered completely put together and uh competent and had her case

2:54:54

documented as well as Cathy and that was a lady by the name of candy Jones candy

2:55:00

Jones this is a copy of a book that was published in U

2:55:07

1976 I believe and uh candy Jones

2:55:14

um let's see well yeah 1976 excuse me um Candy

2:55:21

Jones was used by the CIA as a um as a prostitute um as a mind control

2:55:29

prostitute uh she had suffered sexual abuse as a child her husband was a

2:55:34

prominent radio announcer in New York and um his name was Long John um Neville

2:55:42

and uh Mr Neville was quite successful in in listing the services of friends

2:55:48

with within the intelligence Community who actually persuaded the CIA to admit

2:55:55

that they had been using this woman as a proverbial Manchurian Candidate or a

2:56:01

mind control slave well uh other than candy Jones no one else the CIA has ever

2:56:07

admitted doing this to um even though they were caught in Canada in the early

2:56:14

70s or actually late 60s they were caught um using seen a uh

2:56:20

psychiatrist uh that they were paying the CIA was paying to torture individuals at a particular mental

2:56:27

hospital in Montreal a Dr Yuan Cameron by the way it

2:56:32

it should be noted that Dr Cameron was the original founder of the American Psychiatric association and was the um

2:56:40

uh the man that our head of the intelligence Community uh Alan Dulles in

2:56:46

the 50s um put into the position of um being in control of MK

2:56:53

ala so my control is not new in this country or any other country it's been

2:56:58

around for thousands of years but the sophistication of it to this point has now reached such a proportion that

2:57:05

people are seeing the results everywhere but they don't see is the the

2:57:12

sophistication of the Mind Control itself they don't recognize the symptoms that are being created in these people

2:57:18

until it's too late um Walter Boward a fellow friend

2:57:23

and researcher wrote a book in 1978 called operation mind control Walter did

2:57:31

perhaps one of the best bodies of research that has ever been provided but

2:57:36

unfortunately Walter allowed Dell publishing company to print his book and the CIA although they paid him quite

2:57:43

well for it uh bought all the copies of off the shelves and bought the right to

2:57:48

the book from Dell and took it off the market because this information was much

2:57:54

much much too powerful to be released into the private sector what's happened to him later on he was victim um Walter

2:58:00

uh himself had become a victim uh as a result of uh his research into this the

2:58:06

CIA had administered a very powerful drug to him and hurt Walter a great deal

2:58:11

but um Walter is since uh recovered and continues his research what was happened

2:58:17

to him you don't personally so you what kind of what kind of drugs they gave him they gave him a drug called IO gain IO

2:58:24

gain is an extract from a Vine that comes out of uh Brazil and um IAL gain

2:58:31

produces um characteristically a uh type of um delusional Behavior Uh consistent

2:58:39

with someone who is um clinically insane for all practical purposes um and they

2:58:46

will have good days and they bad days Walter had been affected for over 44

2:58:52

days but tell me he was he was he was married to the woman that that was uh

2:58:57

yes in the melon banking family that same melon banking family by the way is

2:59:03

one of the most powerful banking families in the entire world and um was originally put together um with the

2:59:10

rockefellas and um they've been implicated in practically every moneya laundering Scandal that this country's

2:59:17

ever known particularly involving uh George Bush and his drugs and the CIA so

2:59:23

the bank is closed right the way right oh no no it's one of the most prominent banks in the world and remains such

2:59:29

today and and uh and he was he was uh he he has to divorce this woman because the

2:59:35

bank was actually cover up for CIA is correct information he was divorced and

2:59:40

um any money that he had uh had as a result of that relationship was gone

2:59:45

they took it away from him left in penniless um there's um I got reports

2:59:54

from all over the world um Dr H Gruber uh himself uh a physician or H gri uh

3:00:04

gries rather um is indeed a victim of Mind Control um by a Cooperative effort

3:00:11

of the KGB and the CIA and he also has thrown another one into the mix called the Shabbat which is the um Iranian uh

3:00:21

um intelligence gathering group um Dr gr has been in touch with

3:00:28

Walter Boward and myself and and some of the other Avid researchers in this country for a number of years now he

3:00:36

himself is is in a a state of recovery um unfortunately in

3:00:42

Germany um this disorder is not even recognized as being real if you have it

3:00:49

they'll say that you have something else um they do not um allow anything to be

3:00:55

written on mind control they do not allow anything to be published on um a

3:01:00

government abuse of external control of the mind or behavioral modific they won't allow any kind of term associated

3:01:07

with it um there's a u there's a tremendous amount of information available on what

3:01:15

has happened uh across the country and and around the world regarding mind

3:01:22

control but um I think the most um the most prominent thing that we've seen in

3:01:28

the last few years as a researcher I can say this even though I have been personally involved with Kathy O'Brien

3:01:35

her case as far as the physicians in this country and I'm a member of the

3:01:40

international um Society for the study of dissociation which is um a very

3:01:47

prestigious group group of Physicians worldwide who are attempting to build a model for uh practical uh recovery of

3:01:56

persons like Kathy O'Brien and uh uh at this point the American Psychiatric

3:02:02

association um is actually uh considering publication of a treatment

3:02:07

modality that I have co-developed from um my sources in the

3:02:13

CIA um the same treatment method and modality that I use

3:02:18

uh to work with Kathy O'Brien successfully to bring her case to a conclusion and as you know for the past

3:02:26

5 and a half years she and I have been on a lecture circuit with Physicians and

3:02:31

law enforcement um and they've been gaining extra credit just for listening to her tell her

3:02:37

story so we are going tomorrow to see the Kelly yes I believe that Kelly one

3:02:43

will be rescued and will be able to do something with the help of course with the full knowledge and with the people

3:02:48

that are watching this video right now those people if they will do something

3:02:54

whether it is to have our book published in their respective country or whether it is for um uh generating uh publicity

3:03:02

for this case that's all it's going to take vot in order for us to be able to

3:03:08

successfully get this girl into a therapy that will help her thank you

3:03:14

Mark for your extensive report thanks bu this is a mental institution and now

3:03:22

with uh with Kathy and Mark we're going to

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visit her and take her for lunch and it's the first time that this girl was allowed to

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go all right see all the make make a sh around

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going to get her I this the place yeah it's small place it's huge it's

3:03:59

huge huge on the inside it looks small on the outside really that place is

3:04:08

enormous it doesn't look more than maybe 2500 s ft I Le 5,000 ft in that place so

3:04:16

can you tell us something about this PL camera the only thing I can tell you is

3:04:21

that it's called a group home and it's you see that van there that's a state vehicle mhm unless um unless you've got

3:04:30

unless you got permission from the court you can't go in

3:04:35

there it's a bummer all those doors are electric the windows are are uh that

3:04:41

material you can't break you know it's it's a fairly secure place

3:04:48

so nobody could go out from the pp well they do but you

3:04:58

know all right homicidal

3:05:04

suicid uh was Alex Spectre also the slaves yes yes all Spectre had his own

3:05:10

and that was who Kathy was used with they used her in commercial pornography

3:05:15

and that's uh now there's quite a bit of that commercial stuff out there still uh Larry Flint did that stuff and uh of

3:05:23

course that was one of the reasons that woman's still alive too because they would have

3:05:28

killed her because they were afraid that she might begin

3:05:34

remembering she made a comment to me when we found her she said nobody would believe what I can't

3:05:42

remember nobody would believe what I can't remember can we find her or she's bu oh I know where she is you K we speak

3:05:50

no she's no she's she's like Kelly she's crazy you she's old old she's get his

3:05:58

age yeah oh really yeah she's now in some institution too no no no she's still locked into the system but uh cuz

3:06:06

they're using her children they still using her children oh yeah oh yeah see

3:06:11

that's why Kelly's here because they'd be using her see the courts fought Kathy for five years to take take her back

3:06:18

and they were going to give her to the biological father the seral killer or to Alex Houston or to Kathy's father or to

3:06:25

Kathy's sister they were trying to do this and that's what we kept fighting and we kept

3:06:30

beating them so um when Kelly tried to kill two people in her institution at

3:06:36

the last place that they couldn't turn her loose and she tried to take a brick to Cave This Woman's head in this woman

3:06:43

that worked there um she want to here I mean she she

3:06:49

where is the aners maybe you just take her take her from from inside of the of the car so she would see the car just

3:06:56

want to have on the camera once when she's is she coming from there or from here she'll be coming right down the front steps from there yeah

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[Music] okay I don't know if we'll be able to record uh Cy right K Kelly I would do it

3:07:16

let's see what's happening first and ask Kathy first okay cuz I'm Kelly is

3:07:23

clinically insane and cameras of course what was used against her MH so she's

3:07:29

terrified of them tell you something about these pornographic films they existing oh God yeah tons of them off

3:07:36

the Record we've got a lot of them mhm and that was one of the things that I turned over to the FBI and they threatened to lock me up on because they

3:07:43

said uh this kind of pornography is illegal you can't own it mm and I turned it over to a federal judge and the

3:07:49

federal judge said you come up with one more piece of evidence and we're going to lock you up for 20 years I said well uh there are other

3:07:57

people out there with evidence and they'll come forward when the time is right and truth of the matter is

3:08:02

protecting them particularly day damn people right yes truth of the matter is I've got tons of it but

3:08:10

uh and Larry Clint yeah it's Larry Quint some of it's Larry Quint stuff some of

3:08:16

it is u he did it was illegal for him to do that with the child with children oh yeah oh yeah in this country it's

3:08:24

uh it's 20 years to life for photographing children phog but he was

3:08:30

never cuz he was he was uh Ronald Reagan's best friend in the whole world

3:08:36

Ronald Reagan is a real sleo I mean he didn't like children but he's a real

3:08:41

sley bastard most people don't know this R Ronald rean is an actor and so they

3:08:46

thought he was a good guy oh he's terrible so if was Larry spin's uh

3:08:54

signature in the film or can somebody prove it was yeah oh some of them yeah

3:09:00

so instead of it nobody could do anything you can't do anything if you take the films and go to

3:09:05

some Movie Channel or something doesn't work no no no i' go to

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jail okay I was stating that uh that

3:09:20

U uh there's a very good chance that when Kathy arrived uh to pick her daughter up she had no her daughter had

3:09:27

no memory even though they've been talking about this you the monster AR I was I was setting

3:09:33

the time oh I see I'm listening to it okay um uh the um the child will

3:09:41

probably have very little ability to even remember what uh she her mother had

3:09:47

talked about doing today um uh and I know Kathy told me she

3:09:53

said she said well Kelly ought to be ready to go and she'll have her hiking clothes on and I said kassy it'll be the

3:10:01

first time I said she will not remember most likely that you even going to be here

3:10:08

today right yeah and and it's just it's always this way course Cy always hopes

3:10:13

that the next time she sees her she'll remember oh I see it just doesn't happen

3:10:19

it can't happen so she was used this she from the day a be the program right yeah

3:10:25

absolutely from the moment she was born they were they were doing ambio syesis

3:10:31

or whatever they call it you know on Kathy uh at Nasa on on Kathy uh when

3:10:38

before when the child was still in her womb uh they were doing all the kind of probing around and sticking the needles

3:10:44

through the stomach and everything else I have no worthly idea what were doing um I can assure you though somebody

3:10:50

knows what was done on her she has a file yeah there's tons of files but I

3:10:56

don't have access to those files um I do have access I have access to

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you for

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going

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much okay F okay

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you guys around here no we have from around Europe really what part of you uh from Yugoslavia oh former ugia yeah

3:13:38

former Yugoslavia we have bad syrups really yeah

3:13:48

you guys are touring around United States uh he was born here but I I'm

3:14:03

touring hey guys how are you hello everybody

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hi guys hello

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guys say hi

3:14:57

hello are you okay Kelly hi baby

3:15:22

hi guys that one it won't work it's got

3:15:29

your leg wind your leg would have to go backwards let me see if I can over

3:15:34

here Kelly do you like this area here hey do what you're like you're happy

3:15:40

today it it doesn't work I love it

3:15:47

hello hello

3:15:53

hello that's not funny Mark Dad I know what that one is that's

3:16:00

not I went off there I be doing some serious flapping that was I always said if I

3:16:07

fall off say I'm going flap my arms I'm going to Flap them like a damn honey be

3:16:12

huming bird is what I be slapping that's pretty

3:16:25

mil hi how you doing okay very be participation our

3:16:33

programming I'm just a little I'm just relaxing a little bit here enjoying the view all

3:16:41

right in the air they up uh is that a tck dad or is it a bug it's just

3:16:57

AI all right girls you like our day today yeah

3:17:07

fun all right who's more tired the mother or the

3:17:14

daughter um should we take a vote

3:17:19

all right whose legs are wiggling the most what what book is you reading now Kelly Kelly what books you reading now

3:17:26

is there any books title particular title uh anything

3:17:33

magazine uh extraordinary science Discovery

3:17:38

magazines um I don't know what that's about what's your favorite television

3:17:44

station that you like the most oh Discovery Channel far definitely that and Comedy Central

3:17:50

oh really what Comedy Central because they exposed Bill

3:17:57

Clinton quite thoroughly as if the rest of the world hasn't already done so yeah

3:18:03

really you don't like bed Clon pardon you don't like bed

3:18:08

Clon not really he's kind of dumb Hill Bill kind of goes good

3:18:15

together how about the Healer uh too

3:18:22

manipulative right anybody that works for the United States of America I can't

3:18:28

really tell I don't like most of them that much for the new for the new us I can

3:18:35

understand it you believe with new us some someday I

3:18:41

new it's changing rapidly

3:18:47

I Sur should we do feet for him

3:18:57

what that's right foot for Thought

3:19:02

really do you like to go to Italy pardon would you like to go to Italy with us

3:19:07

yeah very much so so we can make a study and do all these tours P Florence Rome

3:19:15

oh I would love to Venice is the most beautiful na Napoli

3:19:20

is beautiful Naples the most beautiful place in the world what kind of I would love to

3:19:25

go what changes what changes are you looking for most in the in in this

3:19:31

country and in your situation uh to stop the manipulation of

3:19:36

lesser people girls and which way you leave Which Way manipulation talking

3:19:43

about do what which manipulations you're talking about

3:19:48

anything um anything from mind control to

3:19:54

uh God Jus yeah Justice is definitely um

3:20:00

the control the state has over uh the whereabouts of children and the ab abuse abuse abuse

3:20:08

that gets placed on them while they're in custody yeah separation of family I always say the separation of families is

3:20:15

how effective separation from your bother how I AFF your wife probably drawing us closer together if anything

3:20:21

the exact opposite of what everybody else wanted to happen M that's true do you remember anything from your you know

3:20:28

past life and abuse can you remember man I still have a

3:20:34

block oh there's um

3:20:46

how is this feeling and remembering of that situation how is affecting your

3:20:53

life I'm your friend if you want to yeah that actually Mak

3:20:59

sense I'm just about to uhhuh yeah I'm just about to reveal in all World your

3:21:05

story why no no no no no no sorry you understood wrong but on the fact to to

3:21:11

punish the people who did who did uh what they've done to you to your life and to your motion to your this is my

3:21:18

goal in life my father was in concentration camp by the

3:21:24

Nazi and he went that's why I'm against every violation in everything in

3:21:29

life I I deeply you know I think about you every

3:21:37

day so you do believe one day you'll be able to remember everything Kelly yeah

3:21:48

one day what's your favorite actor my favorite actor yeah H what do you think

3:21:56

of actors they're people just the same they just have a

3:22:01

talent for entertaining other people do you have anybody that you

3:22:06

particularly like or um uh Brad Pit because he's

3:22:14

attractive and um the the movie that he's coming out with uh what was it called I don't know he's coming out with

3:22:21

some movie that speaks out against um it's it's entitled sleepers that's what it was sleepers and it's it's about like

3:22:29

people being abused under hypnosis and also I probably like Adrian Paul just

3:22:34

because there's more to him that meets the eye off of his television series and

3:22:40

Steven Seagal needless to say he's a brilliant man and he's proven that through his messages in every movie he's

3:22:47

ever made except for that one CH yeah you like proven through those

3:22:54

movies he's proven that the government's us all over pardon my

3:23:01

French Which Way many ways

3:23:06

right at least it exposes in all ways they're literally what do you think of the news

3:23:15

think about it um a lot a lot isn't being said on

3:23:22

some some things it is what would you like to see more of on the

3:23:28

news everything being told tired of the hiding the covering up

3:23:34

power is in Secrets without the secrets there's no power Secrets out mhm so you believe one

3:23:42

day all the secrets will come out oh definitely definitely half well we're more than halfway there

3:23:50

halfway was admitting finally that something's up period yeah and uh uh Kelly how how you

3:23:59

you believe that you would like to leave you the mother again and with the mark happily

3:24:07

hopefully sometime in the near future like maybe this year we'll all be living together in a log cabin in somewhere in

3:24:14

Alaska oh you like Alaska love it oh that's a place for

3:24:19

your it's wonderful perfect temperature perfect scenery just

3:24:28

perfect do do you remember anything of your childhood or is it's really like barrier in your

3:24:34

mind well I think the best things I remember is the horses some of the good walks I

3:24:43

took with my mom and the time when we were going on motor daily motorcycle

3:24:49

rides with Dad in Alaska no um in K Springs

3:24:55

Tennessee oh was about six seven how about Alex H do you like no do

3:25:03

you remember him do you remember Alex Hast actually I don't

3:25:12

know is Alex Houston uh in your memory or um not really I don't I block out like a

3:25:20

photographic picture of them but I mean I know who he is if I see him I know him when's the last time

3:25:27

you met him you saw him remember God n years

3:25:33

ago just about about 88 so about eight years ago how about

3:25:41

unfortunately I got the privilege of seeing him about what 4

3:25:47

years ago last time I think at Cumberland house and I was physically restrained and forced to see him and my

3:25:54

head pushed against the floor because I refused to talk to him that was a pleasant

3:26:00

memory so what was the purpose of he's vising you just to

3:26:06

to I don't know I don't care I just don't want to have anything to do

3:26:12

with when was the last time I saw him

3:26:18

result the last time I saw him was drastic emotionally traumatized me

3:26:23

I'll tell you that and it gave me a pretty good headache you're a gorgeous

3:26:30

girl and I believe that you have a great career in front of you and you're the great writer I'm

3:26:37

definitely positive you you're really a most brilliant girl I've met in absolute last 10

3:26:42

years most brilliant intelligent and beautiful and the bad thing is is I can't even exercise my

3:26:48

brain why well the place I'm at now I mean everybody there is dumb I mean

3:26:55

they're not ignorant because at least if you're ignorant you can be taught just

3:27:01

terrible um they think a big a big word would be something like deluxe or

3:27:11

caviar so you you you you don't happy in the place you are now no definit not um

3:27:17

I enjoy it sometimes but more often I don't than I

3:27:25

do so if I wasn't there I wouldn't have got to meet a lot of great people so you're right like prefer to be

3:27:32

in some U college go to study what is your favorite uh subject that you'd like

3:27:37

to study uh uh like some science like oh science

3:27:45

definitely um science and literature any of those I'm good at math

3:27:51

but um it's not something I would actually study per se oh I might take

3:27:58

that back cuz that ties in a lot to science the two kind of go hand in

3:28:03

hand do you like to be a writer um

3:28:09

journalist not really I would I like it for a Pastime but I think overall

3:28:16

Veterinary is calling me that's my calling what is now your

3:28:22

your education is looking like how you can describe your education system in the in the place you're now um okay I'm

3:28:28

supposed to be either in I think it would be geometry or in Algebra 2

3:28:34

instead I'm doing pre-algebra I'm supposed to be in English to but I'm

3:28:39

doing 7eventh grade English um like spelling um uh it's just ridiculous you

3:28:48

have a Shakespeare in English how somebody could thought you spelling and all this stuff you said because other

3:28:53

people are like these other girl people that there how many people are there in this room in this PL there um in the

3:28:59

house that I'm living in there's seven other girls besides myself the only girls huh only girls there seven oh I

3:29:07

see um uh all in all in the whole program uh I don't know

3:29:13

uncountable I'm about couple 100 maybe about 100 somewhere

3:29:21

there oh wonderful so where do you have your studying I going to school I'm

3:29:28

sorry I must be very I'm I'm sorry where do you have

3:29:34

your your uh

3:29:40

teaching am I am I am I did I say something wrong pardon did I say something wrong

3:29:47

I'm your friend am I yeah definitely I like you very much you're my friend for

3:29:52

life definitely and I would like to go with you and your father and mother to Europe and really enjoy in some

3:29:58

beautiful sounds like a real good idea oh yes definitely would love to do yes right now though is this on oh you it's

3:30:05

on C have someplace else I need to go very badly I do too it's called a

3:30:12

facility okay you got three people that are going to stay is it John my best

3:30:18

friend at this moment that are French girl named

3:30:23

toet other that are are redwood tree right about we really appreciate you V

3:30:29

okay so have have to top the camera

3:30:57

uh Mark you very very uh particular place there yes what it means it's your

3:31:04

program yeah it's our uh it's uh has something to do with the book as you well know I see okay I stay

3:31:12

with Mark and Cy and Kelly um I met Kelly today for the the first time and I really appreciate my two days uh trip to

3:31:20

Marx and Kelly K's home uh now I met a caddy and uh she had uh enormous uh if I

3:31:28

will not know her condition she's a very bright girl I mean you know her vocabulary and her everything is

3:31:36

absolutely superb and then her I will say that her IQ is is above average at

3:31:42

least 50% I could see because she's 16 uh what is her condition now and how you

3:31:50

describe that from your scientific point of view Kelly's uh condition has been diagnosed by a number of Physicians and

3:31:57

I I to have tested her but she's been tested in a number of Institutions uh professionally by

3:32:04

psychiatrist and psychologist and she suffers from what is known as associative identity

3:32:10

disorder or did it used to be known as multiple personality disorder order now

3:32:16

it is known as dissociative identity disorder this disorder is created as a

3:32:22

result of severe repeated trauma um and

3:32:27

particularly before age five Kelly's trauma base was of course uh sexual uh

3:32:34

trauma psychological trauma and physical trauma and tortures uh continually all

3:32:41

through her childhood know as as suffering from dissociative identity the

3:32:46

disorder um part of the symptoms of this disorder are her inability to

3:32:53

remember uh from moment to moment and in order for her to to appear normal she

3:33:01

mirrors anyone that she is in contact with so they feel very comfortable with

3:33:07

her so I said to her for example I like disc Discovery Channel yes he said right

3:33:12

and then she said yes I I it's the only thing I'm watching yes exactly you see there was there was some some particular

3:33:17

moment of time now I'm recalling that but you call mirror it's called mirroring I she will mirror your actions

3:33:25

the way you hold your hands the way you the way you talk um eventually she'll

3:33:30

even begin to pick up your accent um the U the the disorder itself

3:33:37

is most unfortunate most uncomfortable to the person that suffers from it but the worst part is it develops into

3:33:45

suicidal and homicidal Behavior they become uh these people that suffer from

3:33:50

did in many instances but not all uh become very agitated very easily for

3:33:57

things that we don't even know uh that could agitate them a a word or a place

3:34:04

or a suggestion or a thing can can set them off and they become extremely

3:34:10

violent either towards themselves or towards others uh Kelly's situation is

3:34:16

not without this horrific terrible um uh symptom uh she suffered it many many

3:34:23

times and that's the reason that she has uh been maintained in a mental institution for most of her

3:34:30

life um she has spent uh from age eight she is now 16 she has lived in a mental

3:34:38

institution um or in an INT institutionalized setting um what was her life before she

3:34:47

was NASA NASA Institute the National Aeronautics and Space Administration I

3:34:53

hold directly responsible for her condition because it was they that was

3:34:58

developing the programs um under some Nazi scientists that were brought to this country under project paper clip

3:35:05

for uh uh for the purposes of researching and developing

3:35:11

multigenerational incest abused St yes um the the the actual purposes uh

3:35:20

that NASA had for this child I have no idea um there is no basis for my

3:35:26

understanding of what they were going to do with her uh there are many people that

3:35:31

have suggested maybe they're going to use her as an assassin others have suggested that this was a normal thing

3:35:39

as a result of the trauma I can tell you that in many instances these children

3:35:45

develop this antisocial behavior and becoming um what you and I would term uh

3:35:52

suicidal or homicidal in other words they either want to inflict harm upon themselves or harm upon others for no

3:36:00

apparent reason um uh this um this type of psychotic condition um will not just

3:36:08

go away with age the child must be uh

3:36:13

deprogrammed the work uh that would be required of her um would take possibly

3:36:20

years of recovery and therapy um and a

3:36:26

great deal of money that's the reason that we've gone public with our book that's the reason that we are in the

3:36:31

process of making a documentary film as well as a motion picture um is to

3:36:36

recover enough money to help this child through her recovery period now for 8

3:36:43

lat przebywała w szpitalu psychiatrycznym, otrzymując to, co my moglibyśmy nazwać terapią, ale to nie jest

3:36:52

skuteczna terapia nie tylko dlatego, że jej bycie ofiarą było tak różne od tamtego

3:36:57

jej matki, ponieważ jej matka nie była maltretowana przez NASA, kiedy się urodziła

3:37:02

matka nie była maltretowana, poza ojcem i jego współpracownikami

3:37:08

a jej matka była oczywiście wykorzystywana seksualnie, psychicznie i fizycznie, ale nie była poddawana tak drastycznym torturom

3:37:14

tortury technologiczne, których Kelly doświadczyła od momentu narodzin aż do teraz

3:37:20

aż do czasu, gdy uratowałem ją i jej matkę, gdy miała osiem lat, co to jest?

3:37:25

Twoja opinia teraz nie musi być brana pod uwagę, ponieważ Stany Zjednoczone mają bardzo drażliwe pytania

3:37:32

jeden z największych aktów terrorystycznych w historii, wszystko było absolutnie fascynujące

3:37:38

lub w negatywny sposób, tak jak ja, byłem tu w sprawie Oklahomy, jest tam wiele

3:37:44

Opinie Rozmawiam z Tedem Garonem, jednym z gwiazd FBI, osobą, która naprawdę ma najlepszą karierę w FBI.

3:37:51

cytat: Były dwie eksplozje, Timothy McGay pytał: czy wierzysz, eee, czy w to?

3:37:58

Timothy MC był pod wpływem kontroli umysłu, eee, nie mam na to dowodów w sercu

3:38:03

wspieraj moją, moją, moją własną teorię. Rozmawiałem z Tedem Gundersonem na wiele tematów

3:38:08

Przy różnych okazjach rozmawiałem z wieloma innymi naprawdę wykwalifikowanymi ekspertami, którzy

3:38:14

oceniłam, jakie skąpe dowody są dostępne i mogę powiedzieć, że

3:38:19

że na podstawie tego, co usłyszałem, mogę jedynie uwierzyć, że pan McVey

3:38:27

jest ofiarą kontroli umysłu, ale pan McVey oczywiście przyznał się przed kamerą, eee

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